Religion (Page 2)
Tatrasu 2: i would do some background search, you may find that most all religion stems from the same source,,i dont think its as important the faith as much as the understanding that we may blindly accept,,since viewing.a.video by gregg bradon the feeling is the prayer,, it has shown me its more heart based vibration that mind belief
Tatrasu 2: also i dont think a child should be baptized until the age of conscentual conscious awareness,,i dont believe you can wash away your sins
sin.is not making bad choices,,its knowing what is right and not following it
a baby is not born with sin,,only those aware enought to be impure in thought and heart emotion,,also called coherance,, are the only ones who can sin,,if we dont have the ability to know the diferance from right and wrong we cannot sin,,no amount of priestly favor can remove.sin,,it must be a personal choice to change ones path
baptism is really a vibrational change from living only for and in the flesh
to a highter vibration of more spirit life,,more heart based action
we dont need to give our life to any entity,,we need to alter the self
i always believe
cedarrrrock: I read this and thought I'd toss in my two cents worth. My parents were atheists, though we celebrated the American holiday rituals of Christmas and Easter except for going to church. For awhile I thought that rabbits laid eggs. Once summer I went to a Methodist church service with my maternal grandmother, Margaret & my grandfather, Ward, where the preacher taught about hellfire. I guess Margaret believed the Christian dogma, though I don't recall her ever discussing it with me. She was a teacher to deaf children and cooked us all a feast on Christmas. Ward was an accountant & farmer and had a more lasting influence on me, as I eventually chose to get my college degree in agriculture. He never discussed religion with me either; though I suspect that might have been because my parents didn't want me to be indoctrinated into any religion. My parents once withdrew me from a daycare facility after I told them that the teacher there and the kids took as fact the tale of Jesus. While I was in college I became interested in the teachings of Guru Maharaji, a kid from India who came west to reveal "knowledge", i.e. meditation techniques based upon being able to turn all one's senses inward to be aware of the Life Force making us alive and there to guide us if practiced. I found and listened to some of Maharaji's mahatmas at different locations in California and in Vancouver, British Columbia, until finally persuading one of them to reveal "knowledge" to me. As I sat with my eyes closed, while breathing deeply, he laid his hands on top of my head and I saw a lightening bolt, then appeared to be racing upward through a tunnel, with clouds whipping out of the way until the light at the top became incredibly bright. Beside how to see that light again, I learned, along with a small group also getting knowledge that day, how to feel that energy as a subtle vibration making me breathe and making my heart beat, as well as a technique to hear that energy as an amazing celestial harmony. I did not practice all the techniques every day while doing formal meditation; but still like being aware of the vibration making me alive, as that awareness comes with great peace and puts me in the here-and-now where, ironically, by turning my senses inward I am more aware of my surroundings and of my own body too. I often meditate while doing other things. I think that helping others be aware of that Life Force is what the founders of many religions taught their followers. My father scoffed at my involvement in such a "cult"; but over time the Divine Light Mission focused more and more upon just teaching the meditation and not upon the messenger nor upon the rituals which first came with our get-togethers. Now in his 80s, my father has been reading a lot about experiences of an after-life. His beliefs now coincide with what Religious Science teaches about the heaven which comes after our stint in bodies. Religious Science combines the basics of many religions and philosophers, so is compatible with my belief in the Life Force. I now think there are many ways to experience that "God". I met my wife in the Church of Religious Science and think that having similar spiritual beliefs is very important in a marriage. We never had kids; but if we had I think we would have encouraged them to attend services at one of the New Thought Centers for Spiritual Living, which is what the Church of Religious Science now calls its churches.
Tatrasu 2: wow cedar,,well said,,
i like to think not of,,,i think therefore i am,,,as well,, i do not think, therefore i am
sisiblackdog: absolute non-sense. Name the studies; cite the sorces. Just another conspiricy theory that nhas no basis in fact-what is this guys credentials and of course where is he selling his books. Misquotes Max Planck. Four forces; strong, seak nuclear nucler forces, gravity, electro-magnetic forces. Unsubstaniated conjectuer complete untruths. There are thousand of people like this man-many will believe because the idea of a random an chaotic universe is too scary for them when the universe is at its most beautiful when unrestrained by inept sophistry.
Tatrasu 2: smiles,,the internet posts are for those who find value in information that may assist there life
it makes no difference to me what his credentials are or age,,as intelligence and experience are not related to age
if you choose to disagree it only says to me the extent of your understanding
if you tell me you have never walked in a crowd of hundreds and everyone knew which way to walk without colliding or looking into each others eyes,,which does not define our intent of direction then really you only fool yourself in denial,,ever wonder why very few ever walk into each other?
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Tatrasu 2: secondly it is a waste of time to cite sources to those who have no intent to understand
said in a respectfull manner but following many years of disagreement
if we as humans only believe what we know is correct,,then why waste our time learning more after school,,do we think school wasall that much quality?
they didnt teach us the fibanocci sequence,,dont you think the pattern of natures growth would be an important thing,,hw about phi 1.618,,hm,,fractals,,cymatics,hhm not it was more important to lie to use about cristopher columbus as a hero instead of the real truth of being a mass murderer for his paying stooges,,lol
sisiblackdog: Those that can make you belive absurdities can make you committ atrocities; thats enough to ask for refrences. Your responses are rather absurd. I like physcists not salesman
Tatrasu 2: well peace be with you,,i would be more concerned with the hidden deception,,under the disguise of security,,than those who speek in a free public voice
if your goal in replying is to disagree,,you have stated such
what extent your understanding is,,is not my concern,,but if you really believe whats being said is incorrect,,i would invite you to please find your sources of disproving and kindly post your findings in public here for all to see
that being said,,,good luck in your journey,,smiles
iowagent1956: My daughters were raised in part by our extended church family (Presbyterian). I believe their Christian upbringing influenced their growing into fine, generous and decent young ladies. Neither practice religion now, although both have strong, spiritual beliefs. Every day I thank God for letting us live in a nation where we have the freedom to make such choices.
Tatrasu 2: any belief system we.chosose to empower,,shoud be in the same sympathetic harmonic resonce,,,words are just words,,until.the true nature of the spirit is revealed ,if we.choose the value in the words,,then we must also accept the origin source?
Zanjan: We are all spiritual beings; there’s a need in all of us to tend that spirit, helping it to grow and develop. If the parent has only beliefs but little wisdom, what can they impart to their child? It takes a whole village to raise a child; NO parent can do it alone.
Choose a safe community that will support your decisions, give you parenting tips and strength, and look out for your child when your back is turned. That means you and your children have to participate in it.
Kids have many questions; as a parent, you’ll need to be able to answer them accurately and fairly. If you don’t know the answer, don’t neglect your child, don’t leave him stranded. Take action – hand them an encyclopedia. You’ll teach your child to love acquiring knowledge and, most importantly, independent investigation.
Children learn through actions; they mimic until they've got it down. Once they reach the age of majority, no one can control them, not even religion. Thus, *indoctrination* is merely paranoia born of the adult’s own bad experience, foisting personal baggage onto their children. Religions don’t own or control God and neither do humans.
Zanjan: Some points to consider:
You want your child to grow up to be a decent human being. Decent, as compared to what and who?? He wont do that just by your say so. What the child is at the core, he is by age seven; therefore, shaping his character begins early.
If you believe in God, then you know that He has commanded believers to teach the children about Him and to make mention of Him. That means bringing up the children in the believer’s faith. Where couples BELONG to different religions, this has to be sorted out prior to marriage or it will come back to haunt. The child should be brought up in the religious community of the *active* believer.
Teaching them about religion merely informs them of various beliefs – it doesn’t set up a connection or convey understanding. I’ll echo Cena in that no child will attach to or support anything that their parents don’t believe in and participate in. Kids aren’t stupid, they’re just inexperienced. They need to be taught the spiritual virtues (not merely history) and how to say prayers because they’ll need to draw on that throughout their lives. They need good role models around them.
Zanjan: No religion can be all religions – that’s impossible because the practices are different. Religion without practice is a hollow shell.
It's only through practice that spiritual lessons are learned; it's through obedience to the laws that one achieves strength, humbleness, enlightenment, and reliance on God for guidance (instead of relying on others).
What one should consider is a religion that teaches harmony and positive relationships with all the others. They need to teach that by behaving that way.
A child can’t make a wise decision about religion if he has no other with which to compare. What he’ll do, when he comes of age, is abandon religion because it’s the path of least resistance. Nothing to obey. Something that’s too easy is never a help to the soul.
Nicotina: Sad to see that some imply that a child can not possibly grow up to be a decent human being without "god".
Zanjan: Oh gee, I can't imagine what a child would look like without any discipline or training - it's never happened, except for that monkey-boy in India. No Tarzan, that one.
Nicotina, that child can never compete with those who have spiritual virtues. I'm not talking about the standard, western model of success for adults. Those standards are pretty low. To bring up a child who's unlovable is the worst thing a parent can do to a kid. That child can't be, as an adult, something he isn't.