Fight The Power or Be The Power? (Page 4)

harlett anathema
harlett anathema: man with money too burn.....y haven't you bought a abandoned apartment complex... renovated it.... so that it have ,in the apt complex child care & after school care.. a open kitchen for the parenting-less kids... have a study room..a reduced rent for the single parent where all of your profits went too property maintenance ... and utilities...taxes..there by giving the world at large a successful model ..of community remodeling and restructuring....that'll prove children with no other hope or example will succeed...of course i have gone greedy and found way's too become tax exempt so i could use that saved money too cloth those children,and reward the babysitters....kitchen aides...
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PigCatcher
PigCatcher: and I find you an out and out liar that knows very little if anything of what you are talking about.
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OCD_OCD
OCD_OCD: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/09/18/who-doesnt-pay-taxes-in-charts/

For those who would like some interesting reading.

4) Many low-income workers don’t pay federal income taxes thanks, in part, to a series of tax cuts endorsed by Republicans over the years. The graph below from the Tax Policy Center shows why so many workers who do earn income don’t have to pay the income tax. They’re exempt under various provisions of the tax code.

For instance, most (though not all) elderly households are excluded from paying taxes on their Social Security benefits. And low-income workers with children can qualify for the Earned Income Tax Credit or the Child Tax Credit. As Keith Hennessey explains, the latter was a major GOP initiative during the 1990s and 2000s, and conservatives used to tout them as vital poverty-reduction measures:

5) The number of people who don’t pay federal income taxes tends to jump every time there’s a big tax cut bill, as after the 1986 tax reform or the 2001 Bush tax cuts. There’s a reason why George W. Bush was boasting, in 2004, about moving 5 million taxpayers “off the rolls.” He didn’t think he was creating an army of Obama voters. He thought it was good policy:

6) About 30 percent of workers had a negative income tax in 2011, thanks to the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC), which gives them a big refund. But these beneficiaries tend to leave the program fairly quickly. Many low-income workers actually receive extra money through the tax code, thanks to the EITC. Again, this is an anti-poverty program long supported by Republicans.

What research has shown, however, is that most EITC recipients only get the credit for two consecutive years or less. Many of them soon move up the income ladder and start paying taxes back into the system. One paper found that, over their lifetime, these EITC recipients pay more in taxes than they receive in benefits:
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OCD_OCD
OCD_OCD: Your anger isn't my concern, Rabbit.
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harlett anathema
harlett anathema: can we discuss the plight of fraud...instead....

twice as many African Americans,who are reported too live in several Pennsylvania counties... voted... if that fact isn't living proof of dual id fraud what would be....
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harlett anathema
harlett anathema: how do folks who do not exist and live in state vote in the first place....
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OCD_OCD: http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/incometaxandtheirs/a/whopaysmost.htm

Who Pays the Most Income Tax?
Higher income earners pay the most, Treasury says

Feeling overtaxed? Under the U.S. income tax system, most of the taxes collected are supposed to be paid by the people who make the most money. Thanks to President Bush's tax cuts, that is exactly the way the system works, says the U.S. Treasury Department.

According to the Office of Tax Analysis, the U.S. individual income tax is "highly progressive," with a small group of higher-income taxpayers paying most of the individual income taxes each year.

In 2002 the latest year of available data, the top 5 percent of taxpayers paid more than one-half (53.8 percent) of all individual income taxes, but reported roughly one-third (30.6 percent) of income.

The top 1 percent of taxpayers paid 33.7 percent of all individual income taxes in 2002. This group of taxpayers has paid more than 30 percent of individual income taxes since 1995. Moreover, since 1990 this group’s tax share has grown faster than their income share.

Taxpayers who rank in the top 50 percent of taxpayers by income pay virtually all individual income taxes. In all years since 1990, taxpayers in this group have paid over 94 percent of all individual income taxes. In 2000, 2001, and 2002, this group paid over 96 percent of the total.
Treasury Department analysts credit President Bush's tax cuts with shifting a larger share of the individual income taxes paid to higher income taxpayers. In 2005, says the Treasury, when most of the tax cut provisions are fully in effect (e.g., lower tax rates, the $1,000 child credit, marriage penalty relief), the projected tax share for lower-income taxpayers will fall, while the tax share for higher-income taxpayers will rise.

The share of taxes paid by the bottom 50 percent of taxpayers will fall from 4.1 percent to 3.6 percent.

The share of taxes paid by the top 1 percent of taxpayers will rise from 32.3 percent to 33.7 percent.

The average tax rate for the bottom 50 percent of taxpayers falls by 27 percent as compared to a 13 percent decline for taxpayers in the top 1 percent.

The White House has announced it will lobby Congress to pass legislation making most of President Bush's tax cutting measures permanent.
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PigCatcher
PigCatcher: lololololol, as they say in Singapore, Pleaseeeeeeeeee lahhhhhhhhhhh...

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OCD_OCD
OCD_OCD: As they say in the rest of the world: Did you have anything to add to the conversation?
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PigCatcher
PigCatcher: I do....

you're supposed facts are not facts. They are skewed by you.....written by you......with so many "according to's", that it's mind boggling.

You rarely put up any credible proof or links. Most of them are blogs.

Do you really expect anyone to take you seriously?

Please lahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

With that, I'm off to bed.

My advice....don't even think about believing what this person above me writes.......her anger shows loud and clear through her skewered dribble.

Goodnight.
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OCD_OCD
OCD_OCD: Really? The article above closes with this:

Source: U.S. Treasury, Office of Tax Analysis
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harlett anathema
harlett anathema: more than enough money is collected..it is the wasteful spending and fraud committed too collect welfare checks...

i can recall back in the 90"s that every car manufacturer here in the states out rightly said that they would not put hybrids into production.. that they spent big dollars paying their engineer's too update models.and into the stock parts etc they had already bought & had set the decades production scheduling. nor would they ever put out the first dime into establishing the fueling stations that be required.. and they didn't,put out that dime...
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PigCatcher
PigCatcher: lmfao......the link that you posted.......

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/incometaxandtheirs/a/whopaysmost.htm

is an effin blog written by some guy named Robert Longley for About.com.

lolololololololol

This is your proof?............please lahhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Goodnight lahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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OCD_OCD
OCD_OCD: In case you hadn't noticed, Rabbit, everything is written by someone, somewhere.
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PigCatcher
PigCatcher: including you..........

People aren't as dumb as you think........they don't believe a word you write..........and rightfully so...........Obama's election landslide sure proved that, now didn't it?

and with that, I rest my case

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Azathoth
Azathoth: I see a lot of blame dished out...and fingers being pointed. I still see no real solutions here. I can't say that I have too many myself...not for the masses. I only hoped it wouldn't continue as a purely political debate. Just because conservatives and liberals, in the political realm, cannot find middle ground...doesn't mean the people cannot.
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RUBYRUBY (Wireclub Moderator)
RUBY: can you discuss without insults please?
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Azathoth
Azathoth: Whom, Ruby? I must've missed it.
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OCD_OCD
OCD_OCD: There is a difference of opinion on how to create jobs. The government can pour money into certain sectors and get a small bump; however, that bump is temporary because when the money is gone, the jobs are gone.

What we need is long-term jobs and those come from employers. People who own companies have to be comfortable in using their cash to expand and in the tenuous shape our economy is in, it isn't conducive to private investment.
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harlett anathema
harlett anathema: secular liberals lie.....as do left wing liberal democratic's, OCD is picking up on....those liars and crafty deceivers in journalism....then...not everyone who is reading those crafty deceivers have You all bold enough too point out the lies in what's written......by secular and left wing liberals....
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Azathoth
Azathoth: The rich are called rich for a reason. I don't think anyone will deny that the economic "elite" still exist in America. To say they don't have money to spend or invest, in business, the market, the job pool even,...would be wrong of us to believe. There isn't going to be a fast and enormous fall from economic heights as seen during the fast-moving stock market Great Depression crash. There are alternative investment opportunities and safeguards now. I think fiscal compassion is important now, imo.
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Azathoth
Azathoth: Liars fall on all political lines. Conservatives don't monopolize truth.
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harlett anathema
harlett anathema: what about the ca-zillionaires living in ENGLAND....GREECE.....and elsewhere in this world..You expect too pick their wallets too...
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OCD_OCD
OCD_OCD: The stock market right now is scary as hell.

Fiscal compassion, meaning what? You feel that private companies should throw fiscal caution to the wind and create jobs that they are not sure they can afford?
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Azathoth
Azathoth: A mind set that life can be enjoyed without buying the "stuff" that seems so important now. The idea that giving a damn about ALL of our countryfolk and not just those endowed with an abundance of bucks. That's my personal concept of fiscal compassion. That's not political...that's being decent.
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