Have you been vaccinated for anything? (Page 3)

Metaphorguy
Metaphorguy: People are investing a lot in those countries. I think if there isn't a big catastrophe in those places in 30-50 years they will really turn around.
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mirja
mirja: how much can we predict deseases beforehand? makes more understandable if there is an outbreake? dosnt a child get immunity to those deseases from parents? especially if they are vacccinated for the same desease
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Geoff 
Geoff: No, children don't get immunity from disease from their parents. Which is why, if you don't want your kids to get crippled by polio or blinded by measles, you need to get them vaccinated. If I had my way, parents who refused would get carted off to jail for child abuse.

And they predict the strains of influenza through carefully studying how the strains move around the world. Here is the CDC's explanation:
http://1.usa.gov/1oQqxK

And this rather simplified version comes from the Science Museum of Minnesota
http://bit.ly/a2V4C4
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mirja
mirja: http://kellymom.com/pregnancy/bf-prep/how_breastmilk_protects_newborns/

would wanna live in usa ...there is death sentence as well

my children dont get crippled by polio or blinded by measels it i dont vaccinate them...so your wrong! common sense is missing there !!
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Geoff 
Geoff: Breastfeeding protects the child, but only while you breastfeed.

It is only the vaccination program, which exposes the child to the disease (in a controlled, measured dose) which produces the anti-bodies that will protect them for the rest of their lives.

Measles as an adult is almost as serious as in a child. Like chickenpox in adults it can result in sterility.

Luckily for the dumb few who refuse to immunise their kids - herd immunity (i.e. most people being sensible enough to get their kids immunised) protects those few who won't (or those rare few who can't).

Thankfully, the Finns are pretty good at this sort of thing. Most of them have the sensible Scandinavian attitude towards medicine (i.e. - it always tries to be better than the illness it prevents).
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Aura
Aura: What you are relying on Mirja, is herd protection. Because so many people are vaccinated against a disease it just doesn't get a foot hold and thus the few who can not be vaccinated won't come in contact with it either so they don't get sick. By not vaccinating by choice rather than circumstance, like being too weak, young, sick or whatever, people who don't vaccinate their kids are creating an environment where they grand children and great grandchildren can no longer depend on herd immunity. And to some, this is really bad new.
I consider it very selfish and cowardly.
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mirja
mirja: this is the problem of the modern society.."life without medecin is pretending" ..thinking is gone upside down and money goes to where?? in our expence

we dont need to be medicated we dont need to be vaccinated...we need to think for ourselves!!! simple
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mirja
mirja: Aura ...this is what you are thaught. THINK FOR YOURSELF !!
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mirja
mirja: I consider being vaccinated very selfish and cowardly !!!
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Geoff 
Geoff: I suggest you watch some documentaries on Smallpox.

Dying from smallpox is a long and painful death. International cooperation and vaccines got rid of it.

Medicine has removed the ever present spectre of death - without antibiotics, a simple scratch, or even some of the bacteria that is naturally present in a human, can kill someone within days.

So yes, you think for yourself, but if your kids are ever dying, then you had better take them to a hospital and not some hippy witch doctor.
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Aura
Aura: Have you? Have you looked up the child death rates before the vaccination program? Or are you just repeating what you are hearing from some celebrity?
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mirja
mirja: I SAID THINK FOR YOURSELF !!!! DONT LISTEN ANYONE
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Geoff 
Geoff: Yah - you think for yourself. We'll make sure our kids become adults.

I have thought for myself, and I have learned to study the evidence. Since your grasp of English is so poor you have to shout down reasoned debate with caps, I suggest you look online, I am sure it is available in Finnish.
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mirja
mirja: Im not spending my life in feeding myself with fear of possible deseases I LIVE MY LIFE !!!
And that is my choise ..yours is ..whatching these movies of smallbox
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mirja
mirja: dying for stupidity is long and painful death too
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mirja
mirja: People are fully vaccinated and they ruin their life with being stressed and dye ....thats painful
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Aura
Aura: Well I stood with a child in my arms in the hospital with whooping cough, turning blue because the poor thing could not get enough breath, with a desperately crying mother who had refused the vaccine for her a year earlier. And I thought to myself "I will never see my kid suffer like this"
That was a thought made all by myself, without anyone having to tell me
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Geoff 
Geoff: No - smallpox doesn't exist anymore, BECAUSE OF VACCINATION - it only survives in two laboratories in the world.

The same medical science defeated the death sentence of syphilis. It beat polio (which crippled many people in my grandparent's generation). It is beating measles. It is about to start beating malaria and AIDS - and those are diseases which kill countless people.

So - don'y vaccinate your kids. Be a fuckwit. But - if you don't like science - get off of our fucking internet.
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mirja
mirja: i stood up with a baby with a whooping cough and she was vaccinated against it !!!!
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mirja
mirja: you cannot stop your children from suffering dear friend..cos suffering is part of life.
YOu point is unrealistic
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Geoff 
Geoff: vaccinated properly? Because you need to get more than one dose of the pertussis vaccination.


"Oh, but he/she was vaccinated" - doesn't cut it, you need the boosters too.
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Geoff 
Geoff: I know I can't stop my children from suffering, it is part of the human condition. But I can make sure I do my best to protect them from an early and painful death.
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mirja
mirja: and overexaggerated and fakely overemotional
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mirja
mirja: NO YOU CANNOT !!! DONT YOU PLAY GOD THERE!!!
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Geoff 
Geoff: So, you're saying if my kids are destined to die from some horrible disease that I should let them.

You, madam, have just lost the right to talk to me.
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