Have you been vaccinated for anything? (Page 2)

harlett anathema
harlett anathema: there is in this very moment a outbreak of POLIO.....& MEASLES......from not vaccinating against it....SMALL POX is gonna follow....don't ya think.....
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Metaphorguy
Metaphorguy: yea very funny. obviously i meant viruses that were more popular.
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harlett anathema
harlett anathema: i am not being funny when carnival barking that there is outbreak of polio..& measles,happening in this very moment.......there is quiet outbreak of MEASLES here in the States and a scary outbreak of Polio on 1 of the island nations...

then....there's a footnote mention that SARS has mutated and is on the rise in the Middle East...
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Metaphorguy
Metaphorguy: Well that's too bad. I know there's a vaccine for polio. Not too sure about the others.
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harlett anathema
harlett anathema: i could be mistaken..but,i think SARS is the only 1 out of 3 that has no vaccine...
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Metaphorguy
Metaphorguy: I was at the pharmacy today and they had a list of vaccines and immunizations available. A lot of people may not know this but herpes the std is the same virus as chicken pox, shingles. Although, it may be a different strain than the std but there is a vaccine out there for shingles.
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harlett anathema
harlett anathema: from what i have been too gather from reading...my book ...plagues and peoples...tells me... that all viruses are not quite dead and mutated bacteria..that form into a spirchette (sp) and where they assault the human body depends upon what they called...

Herpes is oldest known contagious virus no matter where it is on the human body..nose mouth genitals.. anus..


PS..... there is a Dengue fever outbreak in Florida
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Metaphorguy
Metaphorguy: A lot of people don't realize they have viruses inside them until they are visible on the upper layers of the skin (epidermis).
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Metaphorguy
Metaphorguy: I was reading that Jenny McCarthy is a new cast of the View, which is about as scientific as cosmopolitan magazine. Anyways, after her child received a vaccine for MMR (measle, mumps, rubella - a live vaccine) he was diagnosed for autism. She's pretty outspoken about her opposition to all vaccines now.

Problem is that McCarthy was a playboy bunny and probably knows about biology as much as Pat Robertson. Since autism is a metaphysical disorder that takes place in the mind with no clear physical beginnings or genetic causes it's hard to label something as a cause, especially since everyone who has the MMR vaccine doesn't necessarily have autism. There is no clear link or correlation. This is why people say psychology is a pseudoscience. Sure, epilepsy is a serious mental and physical disorder, but a lot of other diseases are pretty minor and people blame everything from diet to exercise to family upbringing as the cause (depression, add, adhd, etc.)
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Steve02
Steve02: Except stupidty,there,s no cure for that.
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Metaphorguy
Metaphorguy: ^some people suggest there are ways to improve thinking. could be theoretical though.
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Metaphorguy
Metaphorguy: Microbiology is pretty interesting. In the encyclopedia they mention that the brother of Henry Cortes (the Spanish dude who came to the Americas) had herpes so he never went on the boat. Here's a quote from Romeo and Juliet:
"O'er ladies lips, who straight on kisses dream, which oft the angry Mab with blisters plagues, because their breaths with sweetmeats tainted are."

Apparently, it's been around as far back as Greece (as another poster above mentioned). I just added some TED talks movies to my netflix play list that goes over some interesting ideas on microbiological stuff.

Anyone, ever play Resident Evil? They describe the zombie infection as a disease created in a lab by biologists. I saw a documentary about it though and they mention that a virus would not be active immediately. It would take some time 1-2 days at least to be effective.
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mirja
mirja: for almost eveything unfortunately...but my children havent ...(now adults)
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Metaphorguy
Metaphorguy: I just realized that live vaccine means it's an active virus, and dead means it is inactive. That means they have the capability to infect cells in the body and cause sickness (and create antibodies to prevent sickness).

The flu (influenza) is given annually. For some reason this virus must be given annually compared to other ones that are given maybe 1-3 times in a lifetime.
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Metaphorguy
Metaphorguy: ...continuing flu vaccine is an accentuated live virus. There's some large history with this that goes back all the way to early 20th century. Estimated "20 million people" died during this period. I don't know if anyone has studied medicine or even been to the doctor, but yeah it's harder to heal from an infection if you have bullet wounds. Also, this was when germ theory was a controversy. There was quite a few things going on back then and I don't want to blame it all on planet war 1^1 - 0 + 69*0, but it was a sort of different time. Airplanes were in their infancy, there was no rap or hip hop, we didn't know what Saturn looked like, people traveled by train. Thomas Edison said this: "I have friends in overalls whose friendship I would not swap for the favor of the kings of the world. " (brainyquote.com).
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Metaphorguy
Metaphorguy: Well reading about all these diseases has made me a hypochondriac. Apparently we're supposed to get vaccinated for like 10 different viruses like a wild dog. Too difficult to understand. Going to play mario bros....
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Geoff 
Geoff: The influenza vaccine must be delivered more often because it evolves quickly into new strains.

The World Health Organisation has to determine what strains of 'flu will be active in which countries ahead of time. They have an excellent track record at this.
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Metaphorguy
Metaphorguy: Everyone with hepatitis, hiv, hsv, and tuberculosis should be quarantined.
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mirja
mirja: the vaccination is not 100% proof you dont get that desease...and you get many unwanted stuff to your bloodstream with it such as mercury and stuff...but who cares..we are not meant to be healthy beings ...we are meant to depend on the medecin and docs
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Geoff 
Geoff: Meant?
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Metaphorguy
Metaphorguy: Doctors make a bunch of mistakes. Quite a few mistakes actually and this is after 12 years of compulsory education, 4 years of college, 4 years of medical school, residency....

I hope we can get the developing countries up to the first world standard. Right now those are where diseases are most deadly.
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Geoff 
Geoff: However, since the birth of medical science (as an actual science, rather than as a bunch of rather weird men doing strange things - well... strange things they have absolutely no idea about), the life expectancy of humans has gone up exponentially. Especially women who are far less likely to die in childbirth in the developed world than they were 100 years ago.

And I don't think there is anything in a vaccine that is worse than the disease it prevents. Polio can and will cripple a person. Measles or smallpox can kill a child. The new upcoming vaccine for malaria will prevent the disease that kills more people than any other.

Now we just have to convince people that: "90% of your children aren't going to die before they become adults, so you don't have to have quite so many, OK?"
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Metaphorguy
Metaphorguy: Yea I don't see too many families doing that nowadays as far as large numbers of children. Typically poor Mexican families are the ones doing that and I guess they haven't heard that John Deere has revolutionized farming, and good luck trying to get a piece of real estate to farm for cheap unless it's subsidized by the gov't.
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Geoff 
Geoff: In the developed world, they've successfully taught the populace that we can't just keep breeding, the planet can't handle it.

It's migrants from the developing world who don't get that - they haven't caught on to the fact that since we don't lose a significant proportion of the population to war, pestilence and famine that we don't need a surplus of people.
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