alchoholism (Page 3)
constitution broken: I have been to several "secular/atheist" A.A. meetings and they always fall back on faith and prayer sooner or later...so go peddle your "truth" on your side of the road and I'll stick to mine.. and now go spend some time with your "higher power", I'm gonnna get some sleep and I"ll bet I get more out of my time than you do yours...drm.
sisiblackdog: I do not know where you are going-i can name you several in the kc-mo area alone. i think you a confused, lonely pathetic little man, i wish you well-but i do not think it will do you any good-with or without God there is happiness in recovery-if you want your dreams you got to wake up.
constitution broken: Friend, I'm awake and as far as I'm concerned I'm living the dream as a sober person, without any crutches...and I think you're just a pathetic lonely little man who couldn't make it on his own and resents some one who can and tells other yours is not the only way. Just because you and some of your cohorts need a crutch does not mean we all do...keep you invisible friend to yourself...you'd be allot less offensive to the rest of the world...drm.
sisiblackdog: I'm an atheist moron-I'm not your friend-you claim expertise on a subject you know so little all i can tell you is look me up twenty years from now and tell me how you feel about our conversations-by the way I've buried 5 friends in the last 3 yrs due to suicide-just be careful what you tell people-this is a dangerous situation; my group has been inundated with meth addicts-we don't know what to do with them-if a belief in god will help them recover whom am i or you to dismiss the possible benefits. I have had 30yrs watching successes and failures including my own. My personal cause is mental illness and substance abuse-I am poring over every bit of information I can find. Our primary purpose is to stay sober and help others achieve sobriety, I am glad you are "living the dream" but what are you doing to help others live theirs. When a newcomer walks through the door i say this "What do you need from me so that i can help you stay sober one more day" This is my moral imperative i wish you well
constitution broken: Look sisi...that's the difference between an atheist and an anti-deist...you see no harm in their having faith in something that we both know is not there; while I see them and the rest of our world in grave peril from such archaic and fruitless beliefs. You may be offended by my frankness, but I only speak the truth; the fact that you find it does not coincide with your personal demons is an irreconcilable difference.You are free to call me any names you care to, you can disparage my arguments, but those people will keep dying...it's their choice...and they keep making it... and "a higher power" may keep a drunk from taking the next drink, but meth addict's are a different subject...they don't need what AA or NA has to offer...they need institutionalization for six months with intensive therapy and follow-up therapy for the rest of their life. Having been a crack head twenty years ago with a $100 a day habit...I know a little more about what I'm talking about than you may think...besides which we're the only one's who seem to have any real interest in this conversation, and we are theologically opposed so there seems to be no reason to continue this piece...drm.
sisiblackdog: I am an recoverd alcaholic with 21yrs of sobriety-my wif and I are looking at all the comments and the only thing i can really tell about recovery is that have no importance whatsover-nothing you do or say will make any difference whatsover-my wife tells that Al-anon is a great place to find out just how screwed you are and do somthing about that. For God's sake shut-up and stay out of the way
mysticzilla: your arrogance and anger say that your sobriety wont last. for the friends or wifes of alcoholics etc, go to Alanon. It will help you learn to take care of Yourself and stop being obsessed and controlled by the behavior of the Alcoholic.
sisiblackdog: it has lasted a long time already-we have a happy marriage. but it is only one day at time-i don't believe in prophecy-not angry just me-i'd say amused is more the word
toolsoftrust: First, you need to accept that you can't *make* him change. Second, you need to accept that you have to *choose* to keep him as a friend or break the friendship. Sometimes it's worth the effort. Is there something inside you that says, "keep this one?" or, "I can't just break this friendship?" or instead, "this person is set in his way," "he's hindering my growth." All these cases are real. You can't deny them if they exist. And there are thousands of other possibilities. Bottom line, YOU have to decide.
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sisiblackdog: you know it never ceases to amaze me that so many think they have the solution to someone else's problems. I have 21 yrs of "one day at a times" AA was great but I did do it my way. My wife feels the same about Alanon. I've never seen her happier in her life. I sponsor people today but I gotta tell ya I "wing it" more often then not some do ok some don't. Don't what tommorow will bring but guess what? I don't have too.
SillySally8: one love man!! .....we all walk our own journey and we can all be kinder and more respectfull of each persons right to live their life as they see fit...enjoy your day
bulldog7681: My daughter is a alcoholic and I am breaking watching her destroy her life. Part of me is being destroyed also. I don't know how to help her. I tried getting her into treatment but she won't stay. I really don't know what else to do
Angry Beaver: Alcohol is funny, I know drink way too much, probably a functioning alcoholic, but as much as I'd like to stop (mainly for monetary considerations) I really can't be bothered stopping as I enjoy the way it calms an overactive mind too much.....
mysticzilla: Instead of bashing a person with a drinking problem in here ask yourself, "Why you are so obsessesd with what someone else is doing" , first. . Go to Alanon. and learn how to take care of yourself first.