alchoholism (Page 2)
Anne aka Mags: oldtimeracer! Thankyou for your words. As the exwife of an alcoholic (who is still yet to hit 'rock bottom', to hear a little from your side is beautiful. Your words bring tears of hope to my eyes. I pray that one day, my ex will realise what he has lost so that he and our son may truly build a strong relationship. to your vulnerability is speaking out.
Morsy: They do realise what they are doing just it's a disease and addiction which wins out most times, and it's a real battle for people on the path of self destruction......being on the receiving end is hell and so is the person addicted to alcohol.
oldtimeracer: Sorry knaddish but the largest number of alcoholics do NOT know what they are doing to others. And the words "alcoholism" and "addiction" shouldn't be used in the same sentence because they are two totally different things. Alcoholism is a disease and there is no know cure for it. It can be "arrested" but there is no cure for alcoholism.I smoked cigarettes because I was addicted to the nicotine in them.
Addiction is something totally different. I was addicted to smoking cigarettes for years but smoking cigarettes is exactly that; an addiction, not a disease. I didn't drink 24/7 because I was addicted to alcohol-I drank because I had a disease called alcoholism.
So using these two words in the same sentence is incorrect since they mean two totally different things. And Magwood, my heart goes out to you. I know what you are going through because I've lived on both sides of the fence. And I hope you ex gets things straight because it was too late when I did and my kids (due in part to my ex also) want nothing to do with me. I've never had a Birthday, Christmas or Holiday with any of my kids from my first marriage and I didn't see my one daughter for the first 20 years of her life. My ex was pregnant with her and I finally got to see her for the first time when she was 20 and went through some of my ex's papers to find out where I was living because my ex wouldn't tell her.
Morsy: I disagree alcoholism is described as an addictive disorder, like other drug addictions alcoholism is defined as a treatable disease. It was referred as alcohol dependency at one time then called alcoholism. Yes I know at times people afflicted with this dependency can't recall their actions or words.......I know that it is in my case associated with an alcoholic, the guilt of his actions and words triggered the need to drink more also an excuse to inflict pain mentally or otherwise then say they were drunk and not responsible.
oldtimeracer: The AMA describes alcoholism as a disease. And I trust the AMA over some of these so called "experts". What I love are some of these experts who think they know whats going on have never been drunk in their life. I don't care how much schooling you went through, how many rehabs you worked in or how many alcoholics you've worked with. If you are not an alcoholic, you do not know what an alcoholic life is like. Yea, you know how they act, things that they've done and you may have been told how bad one feels after a binge. But if you have never done it, you do NOT know how it feels.(This is not intended or aimed at you knaddish-I'm just using it as an example)
I've been writing historical articles on racing for many years. I can tell folks what goes on behind the scenes say at a Nascar race because I've had media and pit passes to be there in the action. I've interviewed many drivers and they told me what the different tracks are like to drive. But does this make me an expert? Not hardly. I've been around racing all my life, have written books on the subject but I couldn't honestly give you a lap by lap description on running Talladega or Daytona because I've never driven a car around these tracks.
I feel the same way with people who are not alcoholics trying to tell me about the disease when they have never been drunk in their life or have only been drunk once or twice.
Morsy: Sorry you got upset but you don't know about me just making assumptions and I can speak from experience and that's all I will say.
oldtimeracer: I'm sorry I didn't include that in my last post. I thought about it and fully realized that I don't know you and know exactly where you are coming from. I'm sorry I didn't mention that.
Morsy: No problem......I don't like to air all my laundry but sometimes if I open my mouth I guess that's what I have to do.
Anne aka Mags: I don't know what it is like to be an alcoholic, but I do know what it is like to live with one and what his alcoholism did to me and my son. Flashie wanted to know how to deal with his friend, and as someone who continues to deal with an alcoholic, I felt that I had something to contribute to this discussion, by sharing part of my own story. I enabled my husband's disease until I started going to Al-Anon (as mentioned before). This was to best thing I could have done as I gained so much knowledge/understanding and support.
SuperNovanika85: I stopped talking to a few ol friends and family members who were also alcoholics. They're very manipulative and don't need my help. Fuck em
chandy01: Yes...I would. What does everyone think of the idea it is in your genes to be predisposed of being an alcoholic or another form of addiction? Coast Guy?
coast guy: I believe it plays a part, combined with social and perhaps mental factors. I guess an argument could be made that if it was gene based you could theoretically go through life not knowing you are an addict.
chandy01: I knew people back as teenagers with their first drink or drug they were hooked. Either one parent or the other had addiction problems. True they were around to see that and the peer pressure is very strong.
akpr361: Remember , Life is about Choices..... I sit around Dip Shits who choose to drink....Perhaps some individuals forgot that there is a cure called Marijuana......,
loriwalkerdoll: Alcoholism is a disease. It's a selfish disease. It's hard to explain because it's viewed as a weakness and the person who has the disease feels like that is true. It is truly a hard thing to live with and the only thing you can do is try to help the person realize that they need help. AA is a good place to start but the person has to want it bad enough to live the AA way of life,. Sometimes they may get sober for awhile but then when the all consuming urge comes back they will drink again. That isn't always the case. I've seen so many who succumb to the urge and die from the disease. It's really sad because they have all been beautiful people. You have to love them and I see that you do love your friend. I wish you and your friend the very best. It's a long and lonely road for you and your friend to travel. Just try to be patient and loving and I'm sure that he or she will come around.
garymcevoy50: you will never understand what its like to addicted to drink unless YOU are one yurself
sisiblackdog: Flashier it would be of great benefit for you too realize that there is absolutely nothing you can there is an organization called Al-anon for the families and friend of the alcholic-but let it be clear that they are there to help you not him-I've been clean and sober twenty years nothing happened til everybody got out of the way-good luck-most of us a pretty cool after we get a little sober time-been married 35yrs
constitution broken: Having been a professional drunk for over forty years I feel I have a unique perspective on this issue. I quite drinking Aug. 16, 2016, now that may not sound like much to you, but having been drunk out of my mind for forty years I can tell you it's a big deal to me.
I want you to know exactly how I did it and what it will take for your friend to get sober. First, if he does not want it, forget him...he's not ready. Second I used this same technique to stop smoking cigarettes in 1999 and "crack cocaine" in 2001. To date I have not touched any one of the three since those dates.
If he's ready...he puts it down and never touches it again...sounds simple..it is not...but my experience is; if he want's sobriety he can stop; if he can't stop he really doesn't want it yet ...that's the paradox of being a drunk and hiding behind a word like alcoholism does not take away your own responsibility to yourself and your fellow man...because everything you do effects everyone around you...drm.
sisiblackdog: How about you shut-up and let somebody who know more about being sober then you do about being drunk-you "experts" kill more people than you know. Write a book go on a TV show but leave the drunk alone. Had him a phone book and tell him look under A
sisiblackdog: I'm an atheist and have been clean and sober for 20yrs-if you can't shut-up at least pay attention; there are secular AA groups everywhere. Do your research-you do not have enough time for your opinion to be valid. People like you do kill people.