Christian Cure For People Who Bat For The Otherside
F0rdPrefect: Why are u unable to use the word Homosexuality/Gay as part of a Topic Title?!!!
Homophobic forum p'haps?
An utterly ridiculous and vile claim that religious nuts can fix ur personality and change ur sexuality.
Thought i had to share.
john1576: Hey Ford. I have nothing against Gays. But what I do not think is fair, is that they do not get the facts that the Gay lifestyle really is unhealthy. Whenever I have tried to explain this to Gays they always say; 'John you are talking as if we choose to be Gay, we do not choose our sexuality is is forced on us by nature'. Let's have a little understanding when Gay issues are discussed.
candyrivers: Thats why its a question?
If you have a unique perspective I would be interested to hear, but I only like listening to people when I know where they are coming from. It would be amazing if you were B!s@xual, because then you would be able to give a really good perspective to this.
I am straight, but I had my moments.
john1576: Sorry I can't help you there. I am strieght too, but I have never been temted to swing the other way. Mostly because the Gays I know are mostly ugly fat bastards.
candyrivers: Actually I remember watching this movie in Psych 101 where this doctor was trying to give pregnant rats stress in order to make her have gay rat babies.
Science has too much time on its hands once again.
♠_Krash_♠: Pokermon is strangely quiet on this thread
Would of thought he'd copypasta'd something by now
F0rdPrefect: Maybe he is searching the Fox News website nao as we speak, looking for suitable material!
john1576: Ford. lol, you never know Old Boy. Like they say, don't knock an Orange till you have tried one. Or as I say, 'If the first bite is sour, turn it around and have a nibble place else'.
Gandalf_the_black: Any christians who claim, that there should be a cure for gay people, are extremely convoluted, and need to be cured themselves. S'tempting to say something else, but I would most certainly get thrown from the forum, if I did.
the real slim DEEPy: bsdm and conditioning go hand in hand, it is a proven psycholigical technique for programming or deprogramming sexual stimuli. its just a question of ethics and, generally, it is considered ethical as long as it is completely voluntary.
Gandalf_the_black: @ deep "bsdm and conditioning go hand in hand, it is a proven psycholigical technique for programming or deprogramming sexual stimuli. its just a question of ethics and, generally, it is considered ethical as long as it is completely voluntary."
I haven't yet, done any research on this technique, you say exists for "deprogramming sexual stimuli". If such a technique exists, then it should only be used on paedophilles and rapists. Using such a technique on homosexual men and women, would most certainly not, be deemed ethical, and would also be abusing their human rights. I would also suggest you provide links, to back up your theories, on which u base ur arguements.
Reetz68: I was a christian for a long time, now I consider myself Spiritual. I was conditioned very early childhood, that gays were sinners, etc... (weren't we all, anyway??)
Thank God!! my views on this were changed when I read a book called "Brain S&z" by Anne Moir, David Jessel. It describes in a nutshell that the brain develops its sexuality & orientations; in the second Trimester in the womb, and so much more. Its a real eye opener... I would recommend it to any christian... as it just makes sense. Its not by "choice" it is by "design" within the brains destiny etc. I have always repected Gay people, and knew in my heart that believe seemed wrong. I just didnt really understand back then, as I was brain washed into believing the nonsense. So now I have plenty of gay friends & co-workers, and they are just brilliant, even the trany's I know. And now I no longer belong to a religion. The freedom in a spiritual life is so much greater...
super_sugar_fun_time: Sing if you're glad to be gay, sing if you're happy that way.
If you're happy and you know it clap your hands.
I have a big smile on my face......
the real slim DEEPy: im not advocating a "deprogramming" program, im just stating that it is scientifically sound. have you ever seen "a clockwork orange"?. i shouldnt have to provide sources for common knowledge as such. look up behavioural, operant and classical conditioning, and their relationship to sexual fetishes, especialy to bondage and sado/massichism.
yes, there is a theory that stress in a pregnant woman can produce a hormone which alters sexual orientation, but it is not proven. it is fairly proven that the hormone causes cross-gender traits, but no difinitive evidence that actually alters anything other than MANNERISMS. in otherwords, it is JUST as valid of a theory to say that the effiminite traits are formed in the womb, however the actual sexual fetish, if it is consistent with how ALL other fetishes are known to work, is condutioned through life events- as effeminite boys are often rejected by their fathers and male peers, and feel compelled to seek out male apporoval elsewhere.
look, im tired of this PC sh*t. yes, cross-gender TRAITS are formed in thye womb, but it is quite a leap to say that sexual desire/instincs are totally reversed in that process. just becuause a man has a lisp or a loose wrist does NOT make them gay, so why does it do so for mice (the study to which u refer used mice)?
i am saying that homosexual eroticism is a FETISH, very simple. it used to be classified that way, till the gays got offended, and protested it out of the DSM-IV.
a fetish is NOT automatically a disorder, there is absolutely nothing offensive about calling homosexuality a simple fetish, as long as you understand DSM-IV diagnosis criteria.
the gays really fugged up when they demanded that homosexuality be romoved form the DSM-IV. if homosexuality was still classified as a fetish, gays would have rights under the americans with disabilities act and would be guaranteed "reasonable accomodations" such as their own showers/bathrooms, which would clear up the DODT situation pretty quickly.
as it stands, there are NO civil rights protections for gays, and, even if there were, the military has a special examption to discriminate, among other things, for s*&- so sexual preference, if added into the civil rights act, would likely have the same military exemption that s@# currently has.
i think i have made my case well, homosexuality should be considered a fetish and should only be treated voluntarily, when the life of the patient is negatively affected (aka, they decide that they WANT a wife and children, but cannot reach orgasm with a woman, a RARE ccurrence) this EXACT same treatment, using operant conditioning, has been used to both "train" and clinically de-program BSDM'ers and other fetishists for half a century.
gheeze, learn something about kinky s#z, already... fookin vanilla...
the real slim DEEPy: what the hell is offensive about that? have you seen BSDM'ers, adult babies, fellattites and the like protesting over being catogorized as a fetish in a phychological diagosis manual? fetishes are considered disorders ONLY if they significantly affect life in a negative way; not everyone who has a fetish has a disorder... guess they gays couldnt make that distinction, or they are really too easily offended, cause all the other fetishists are fine with the DSM-IV classifications.
in other words- a fetish is not a mental disorder unless it starts to affect the overall functioning of the individual. the fact that other fetishes are still in the DSM-IV is not leading to opression or negative stigma being applied to the average fetishist, so why is homosexuality different, because they have political power? bacuase they want equality? if they want equality, why not equality for ALL? why didnt they lobby to remove ALL fetishes from the DSM-IV? why didnt they think about the other fetishists, why just themselves? isnt that a little narrow-minded and selfish? if you demand "equality", shouldnt you demand it for ALL?
the real slim DEEPy: lets say that a gay man decided that he wanted a wife and children, that he wanted a traditional family, but could not get arounsed with hos wife. would you perfer that he leave his wife and kids behind in a disadvantaging single family home , so that they can be with another man just to get their rocks off, ow would you not respect him more if he seeked out help from a psychiatrist for the sake of his family? what is more noble, th gove up you rloved ones for a fetis, or to give up a fetish for your loved ones? sounds like everyone here is advocating that the gay man say "fxw~ those kids" so that he can get his rocks off... because you are so ingrained with the idea that anything just slightly condemning of the current pc perspective on hgomosexuality is flat-out bigotry- like there is something blasphemous about simply "questioning" a political view, a political view which i have made it clear is completely inconsistent with the psychological explaination of it, and that other "scientific" findings are being embellished with assumptions to "fit" the current political pc view.
you know what, yall are bigots for esteeming the gays so greatly, while the poor bsdm'ers, adult babies, oral s%z addicts, shit eaters and the like get absolutely no respect or sympathy from you... sure those are all sicko fetishists, but gays... gays are special... gays have rights, but all the doms and dommes need to stay in their dungeouns, cause we dont wanna see that sick shit. yall are all fine with fetishes being in the DSM-IV, but somehow homosexuality is differrent? well, thats the straight-up definition of bigotry.
just think of a world where all fetishists had parades on amin street and flaunted their very private lifestyle and sexual practices, with no regard for the average commuter or the eyes of small, easily confused children. would you celebrate "felching rights" along with them, or are you starting to see how ridiculous the gay rights political movement is being? i have no problem with protecting the rights of gays or any other group, but the way the gays are implimenting their movement is completely devoid of reason. its "we want what we want, regardless of the facts or reprocussions". gayt pride parades are actually a form osf psychological conditioning in itself. ever heard of "systematic desensitation"? it is another commonly accepted and scientifically sound DEPROGRAMMING (brainwashing?) technique, and the participants of the movement know it. they intent to flaunt their sexuality, until the masses become "desensitized" to it and finally accept them. ok, acceptance is a private mental decision and NOT a political goal. i dont accept myuhammed as my great propnhet, does that make me bigoted against muslims? no, for it is not acceptance, but tolerance, that should be the proper political goal, and that has been achieved, but thats not good enough. so now, theyve moved onto brainwashing techniques to gain acceptance.
yall were all up in arms when the chriustians tried to "brainwash" the gays. is everyone ok with the gays "brainwashing" the christians??? bigots... expand your understanding of all things, and only then will you inderstand how all things relate to all things. if one book on mice brains changes your whole outlook on life, then you never had a firm, grasp of the facts in the first place...
you give me one book with one study, and i give you a lifes study into psychology and sexuality.
chronology: There is no escaping some troubling facts. Gays have more diseases, a shorter lifespan, bodily damage to organs making it impossible for them to control the release of their feces. It does not sound like a fun lifestyle to me. I do not hate Gays, I wish them well, like maybe they will stop being Gay.
Reetz68: Sugar, there is no point in responding to these comments, clearly their out to make their judgements.
I question the "I dont hate gays" to me it sounds false. What about the love for all mankind, black, white, yellow, gay & straight.... where is the love in this picture.... I was taught about Unconditional love when I was young and still today. When you have a predjudice about something, it is primarily about fear.
Only love will overcome fear. There are alot of spiritual speakers out there who speak about this... ie Nelson Mandela, Neale Donald Walsch.... and so many more
I will no longer comment as I will also loose this thread.... its not worth the effort, when ppl are out to hate & condemn others.
chronology: GladBag. I don't make judgments of anyone. No one has a right to judge anyone, except a Judge, that is his Honours privilege. But look, you have Health Professionals who are describing the health problems encountered by Gay men. You have people who take the Bible seriously, telling Gays they are in serious trouble with God if they do not make up their minds whether to to change their ways.
Gay people have as much right to respect and equal Rights as anyone else, but out there are many people who are telling Gays they need to take a reality check. The best folks I have ever met have been Gay, I have no hatred at all for Gay people.