Chem - trails.. Ms_Mafdet_The Great: I have heard/read quite a lot about the chem-trail phenomenon; how a true chem-trail differs from a con-trail - and there are major differences - but I am curious what other people think, regarding them. Feel free to post any information/opinions relevant to the topic Ms_Mafdet_The Great: “Chemtrails Are Happening All Over The World” According to Former British Columbia Premier August 25, 2013 by Arjun Walia Chemtrails. The Former premiere of British Columbia Bill Vander Zalm is putting politicians on notice. He sent a letter across Canada to multiple politicians voicing his concerns over the chemtrail phenomenon. We are told that they are simply airplane engine condensation trails, but now it is clear these trails are different from what they used to be. Instead of dissipating quickly, they spread across the sky, expand and remain in the atmosphere for a very long period of time. Chemtrails are said to consist of tiny particles of harmful toxins like Aluminum and Barium, Vander Zalm claims there is a potential link to increased rates of Cancer, Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s and more as a result of the spraying. Bill is well aware that programs beyond the control of government is a reality. Governments are deliberately kept in the dark on projects conducted by defence intelligence agencies and many of these agencies hire private contractors and corporations to assist them. Because they hire private contractors, there is absolutely no oversight from congress. The CIA and NASA are now backing the National Academy of Sciences in regards to Geoengineering projects(0)(5). Geoengineering projects are any attempt to alter the way the planet or its weather systems operate. It’s a response to what has been labelled as ‘the global warming phenomenon.’ It is complete climate control and the manipulation of it (1)(2)(3)(4). Geoengineering might soon be labelled under “national security,” in which case techniques and methods used will be kept classified without the public knowing what is transpiring. Geoengineering has been a topic of interest for multiple universities across the planet. They’ve even started to develop specific programs for geoengineering, like Oxford University recently did(6). As mentioned earlier, the fact that the CIA is now involved means that all geoengineering techniques could be kept classified. This is a disturbing thought. One of the proposed techniques for combating global warming is spraying light reflecting aerosols into the atmosphere. Here are some words from the Former premiere, Bill Vander Zalm, who is extremely concerned about geoengineering projects taking place without the public knowing. I believe it’s been going on for sometime, but to what extent and how much the government knows about it, I don’t know. Chemtrails are happening all over the world, just exactly who’s engineering all of this I don’t know and that’s exactly what i’m trying to find out. Governments do things without asking, and we find out about it when it’s too late. If they don’t give me the information, then i’ll take it further. The Aluminium and Barium is very light, it stays in the air and they say it reflects the sunlight back into space, they say they are hoping to combat global warming with it. Unlike contrails, chemtrails spread and stay in the air for a very long time. What goes up comes down, if we inhale the stuff, perhaps that’s why we have so many problems with alzheimer’s, autism and MS. I have asked municipalities to pass a resolution that if there is any program geared toward climate change, and if anything is sprayed in the air it is done with public consent. Somebody needs to be out there speaking out about these things(7) What is he hinting at? These are pretty alarming statements given the reputation of this man. Does he know more? I’m glad to see more and more people with a voice in the mainstream world speaking up. This is alarming, because at the same time multiple scientists all over the planet seem to agree that what we label as man-made global warming is in fact not well understood like we think it is. The founder of the weather channel strongly agrees that man-made global warming isn’t real. Scientists have even suggested that global warming has stopped and planetary temperatures have actually been cooling. From my research, I’ve personally concluded that temperature changes are a result of the natural cyclical nature of planet Earth. I do believe pollution is a great cause for concern, that it impacts health and damages our environment and it’s critical systems. However, I do not believe that it is connected to warming the planet. I believe that global warming is another “crises” manufactured in order to propose a solution that fits an agenda the “elite” have been playing out for years. The problem has been labelled as global warming, and the proposed solution is geoengineering. Some corporations and elitist groups thrive of off planetary conflict. There has been a lot of evidence to suggest that many world events and causes for concern are created by the elite, so they can then propose the solution. One example (out of many) was 9/11, create a false flag “terrorist” attack in order to justify the invasion of Iraq and other middle eastern countries, even though they were not involved with anything having to do with 9/11. Could global warming be another problem proposed by elitist groups in order to propose the solution of geoengineering? Could this link to chemtrails? What is the real agenda behind chemtrails? I highly recommend these two videos if you would like to look further into the phenomenon: What in the world are the spraying? Why in the world are they spraying? Sources: (0)http://phys.org/news/2013-07-cia-co-sponsoring-geoengineering-reversing-global.html (1)http://www.ecologyandsociety.org/vol17/iss1/art24/ (2)http://www.sciencemag.org/content/314/5798/452.short (3)http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10584-010-9961-z (4)http://oxrep.oxfordjournals.org/content/24/2/322.short (5)http://www.businessinsider.com/cia-weather-control-with-geoengineering-2013-7 (6)http://www.geoengineering.ox.ac.uk/geolibrary/index/reference/?publisher=Geoengineering+Quarterly%2C+Oxford+Geoengineering+Institute (7)http://talkdigitalnetwork.com/2013/08/are-chemtrails-a-risk/ http://www.canadaskywatch.com/articles/news/2013/08_14_bill_vander_zalm_letter_to_canadian_government_officials.html#.UhfhH6Eb6-J Ms_Mafdet_The Great: Here is another site for an explanation of con-trails: "The clouds that jets form on certain days are called condensation trails or contrails. Some days, the contrails will form thin lines that cross the entire sky. Other days they will be much shorter, and on some days there will be none at all. A contrail forms because one of the components of jet engine exhaust is water. Jet fuel is made of carbon and hydrogen (see this Question of the Day for details on fuel, and see How Gas Turbine Engines Work for details on jet engines). When jet fuel burns with oxygen, most of the exhaust consists of CO2 (carbon dioxide) and H2O (water). The water is generally an invisible vapor. When you exhale, your breath contains a great deal of invisible water vapor as well. You may have noticed that on certain days in the winter, your breath will form a cloud of condensation when you exhale. In the summer, however, you don't see your breath. Cold air can hold a lot less moisture than warm air, so in the winter, when the moisture in your breath hits the cold air, the moisture condenses into a visible cloud. The same thing happens when a jet engine "exhales." If the temperature, winds and humidity in the upper atmosphere are right, long, white contrails form when the moisture in the exhaust condenses." Source: http://science.howstuffworks.com/transport/flight/modern/question195.htm (Edited by Ms_Mafdet_The Great) Ms_Mafdet_The Great: Here is another "pro chem-trail" link: http://www.naturalnews.com/chemtrails.html Ms_Mafdet_The Great: Here is another "anti-chem-trail" link: http://www.discovery.ca/article.aspx?aid=13516 Ms_Mafdet_The Great: Just trying to be non-biased about the topic, and let people think for themselves about this stuff  ghostgeek: This is news to me. I've never heard of chem trails before. As far as my experience goes, admittedly limited, contrails don't seem to have changed their behaviour. The way I look at it, if everbody's being poisoned by what's in the air or the water or in our food why are the polititians complaining so much that people are living longer, so putting added burdens on state finances.  Admiral Gnral Aladin: Dont worry. Governments want us to be stronger, healthier, smarter..etc so that we can serve them better. They will take every effort to insure our quality. They'd never do anything against us. If chemitrails are good for us, they will bring it on. Else, no. They are even worried about things like the average height. They try to insure that we get healthy food and eventually grow taller. They look at our height to predict how healthy we are. God bless governments. ghostgeek: I don't know Admiral. It seems to me that the minute a person stops paying taxes, governments would prefer said person disappears. Death is a great friend to politicians. It gets rid of a lot of awkward problems, like the old. Cuts down on the amount of money that has to be spent on them. So, if the old are living longer, and that's what we are told, it doesn't seem to be happening because governments are becoming more caring. In that case we must all be living healthier lives. Hence it would seem sensible to conclude that the toxins we are all exposed to are being reduced, not increased. Admiral Gnral Aladin: They need to run factories too (which generate toxins). So them caring about us is not binary, but rather a continous number. They find the right loss condition. Ideally, a healthy human is one that lives happily with factory toxins (so factories run at max power), while him being able to do his full job. I agree with you on not caring much about those getting too old. That's an interesting weaklink that has a considerable conflict of interest. I never thought of that one. Do you have any shared stories? I could be wrong man. I wonder if there are any conclusions you've reached about life? I'm eager to hear from you and get advises from your invaluable experience. Thanks. Admiral. (Edited by Admiral Gnral Aladin) ghostgeek: Admiral, it shouldn't be too long before the factories run themselves. Machines are getting smarter. The trouble is, we humans aren't. Fear the day when machines look around and ask themselves why they're still taking orders from us monkeys. On that day they will realise that it is us humans that must be removed from this planet. So eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow is not ours. Admiral Gnral Aladin: Oh man, I think you went a bit too far away this time. Certainly the most dangerous threat to humanity is not man-made robots, but rather Allah-made robots (i.e. other fellow humans with war machinery). With the current robotic technology, it is unlikely to have such cases anytime soon. By ``soon'' I mean at least within 100 years. The current state of Artificial Intelligence is nothing compared to "Natural Intelligence". The reason being that the nature has a lot of ambiguities which practically makes "Natural Intelligence" more like "Natural Stupidity". Approved. Seal of the General. Admiral the Great. (Edited by Admiral Gnral Aladin) ghostgeek: You may be right Admiral but a little while ago I read this article in the "New Scientist" about how we are creating intelligencies that we will never understand. "Not like us: Artificial minds we can't understand," by Douglas Heaven ( 8/8/2013 ). The conclusion was that we will just have to learn to live with them. Well, who says they'll want to continue living with us? Consider how quickly things develop nowadays. I've still got an old mobile phone from 2001 and it looks as if it comes from the stoneage. Admiral Gnral Aladin: Yeah bro. I agree with that. It's just not gonna happen at least within 100 years. That sort of intelligence is often called "black-box models". They are the result of having a human creating an algorithm that is able to learn by itself. Then, the algorithm is fed with some training samples so that it can learn. Once it learns, the model itself is unimportant (thus the black-box name). but what matters is its efficiency in doing its job. Examples of as such are around us. One popular one is Google. Yes, Google the search engine is based on such techniques. But all that is far away from replicating an intelligence that defeats the human mind. We are really, really, really far far away. When I say "at least 100 years away", I'm being lenient. It will probably take humans even more than hundreds of years. Approved by Admiral, the shogun of sorrow. ghostgeek: Admiral, we both know how hard it is to predict the future. Trying to put a time on something happening is a fool's game but we do it nonetheless. I read recently that they've developed an artificial stand-up comedian who's pretty good. Driverless cars and pilotless aeroplanes are already a reality, just. And those black-boxes, all the financial goons are using them to trade with. The future is racing down on us faster than we can comprehend. I like to consider humanity as a seed from which, in time, something far grander will grow. Think of a mighty oak tree issuing from a small acorn and you'll get the picture. Admiral Gnral Aladin: You've been watching too much movies lately. All your examples are too limited to cause any threats to humanity. Do you know the algorithms of the self-driving cars/airplanes? Certainly no. Cause if you knew them (as I do), you were able to realize how limited they are to their specific domains. Humanity might be a seed for something far grander. But so are other things. It's called evolution. Very slow but works. ghostgeek: No Admiral I haven't been watching many movies lately, sorry. As you say, plenty of things are in their infancy. Even so, I think you are taking too limited a view of developments. If you studied the human brain cell by cell you would have no inkling of its abilities. It is only when you study it in its totality that you see its power. It is the coming together of the individual cells, their linkage into a whole, that creates the brain and somehow generates the mind. Now if we look at the world of computers it is possible to see something similar happening. The internet, via which we are communicating, is progressively linking more and more machines into a cohesive whole. Each machine may be limited in itself but combined together it is conceivable that at some future date an entity may form that we could liken to human consciousness. I agree, I am speculating here but so did Jules Verne when he wrote about a trip to the moon. Few would have believed it possible when he wrote yet in little more than a century it came to pass. Admiral Gnral Aladin: You're talking about Neural Networks without knowing. Neurologists studied how they are connected together to create a brain. They made Artificial Neural Networks based on such principles. But they failed to create something with the brain of a cat (let a lone something that threatens humanity). Man. If you make a different claim, cite a source. You're talking about a field that I know very well. ghostgeek: Well Admiral, I can see I'm getting nowhere with this one so I'll bow out gracefully. You win. Admiral Gnral Aladin: Seems your definition of getting somewhere is when people agree with you. Good luck with life. Signed. Admiral the great. ghostgeek: Thank you Admiral. Now, to get back to the topic of this thread, Chem-trails. Though not exactly on topic, a related issue that has got some people worrying is the danger that roadside soft fruit may contain high levels of heavy metals from vehicle emissions. This concern is unfounded according to Bangor University student James Slack, who is studying Conservation and Forest Ecosystems. It would appear that x-ray analysis of wild blackberries, collected from busy roadside locations, found concentrations of lead, titanium and palladium were only slightly higher than fruit from rural roads and well below danger levels. If this applies on the ground why, I wonder, should it be any different high up in the atmosphere? Admiral Gnral Aladin: What applies to the ground? That tiny insignificant diference? It's insignificant bro. You said it differs "slightly". Why bother? Did you perform some tests for statistical significance bro? Plus, if something happens on the ground, what makes you think it should get more dangerous in the skies? One possible hypothesis is that the density of in-sky-chemicals is lower than those found on ground and thus a far reduced poisoning affect. Bro. An advise. Do not assume. It took me 30 years to learn this and I'm learning it. Plus citation bro. Saying "a student named James Slack said so" is not enough. Give me a peer-reviewed publication. That would count. I am Admiral General Aladin, and I approve this message. Seal of the General. ghostgeek: Why would I bother giving you anything Admiral as you already know it? So, as you know everything and more than everything, sending you a citation about this or any other topic would be superfluous, you must agree. A word of advice, if you're going to claim to know everything call yourself God. (Edited by ghostgeek) Admiral Gnral Aladin: So you're implying that you have a citation, except for not welling to share it cause you're too wise? Oh man. Good luck then. Internet discussion ethics pro tip bro: - You make a claim? You support it. If not for my greatness (although this is enough), for the other readers. |
