what do you think of GREEN PEACE? OREADback: actually i'm posting this topic partly because i need to write an essay on international organizations. i dont like those organizations on economy and such. prefer environment protection. so i'm thinking about writing one on green peace. so first up, what do you think of green peace? do you like it activist way of acting? are their protests effective? are they influential enough? if you dont think they're doing good, then any other international org. that can stand out and do the job? thanks for your time!!  AussieOi: Hmm, idealist, galvanised by non-violent actions inspired by the hippy adoption of the likes of Ghandi. Not strong enough to dominate governments or businesses supported by governments. Awkwardly leaning to what is popular causes and not resourced enough to protect unpopular environmental causes. Enjoying donations by the wealthy of western nations mainly. Drawing on guilt of environmental degradation and firey idealistic members to fund causes. OREADback: lol wow. guess you dont like green peace oi but...if that's the case with green peace, can you name any other org. that can solve these problems? like...can make a real difference not only in those popular causes but also the unpopular ones? (btw what are unpopular causes?) and i think when gov. is involved...it's really hard to make things change  AussieOi: oh no I think there is a role for greenpeace and it tends to be the strongest most radical N.G.O. about in regard to the environment. Western countries support groups like Earth First, The Wilderness society, here in Australia the Australian Conserservation Foundation and many others. They all are limited by funding constraints yet are much more effective generally than government bodies which tend to be only as environmental as it is political to be so. This means not very so and the funding goes on spin not action.  DJ_Athos: I don't Know much about those organizations, but to live in harmony with the nature, whats bad in it? I don't mean craziness that you have to compost everything ETC ETC ETC. The human stupidity has no limits, but still. Travel a more by bike ... and fly more with a paraglider yeah rocks ... or If you have flu The Hell with this chemistry ... Black Currant jam with tea and milk with honey and couple days off. All the things didn't have to be ready yesterday! The Spiritual world slows you down, so you could analyze, you doings and could get ready for a new adventures. Open your eyes... means that. Little bit like when your coulter embraces a door knob or something like that ... slow down a bit and open your eyes, or you will miss something important. Not important to the world, but important to You and you only. Don't kick yourself in the ass that "I smoked one too many cigarettes and now environment is getting too hot." BullS..t our earth lives, that way, has been living in cycles 26900 years ... one round ... Carbon based lifeforms, here on planet Earth. We're not alone even on this planet... We have a limits 20 Hz - 20KHz audio, The Rainbow as our sight limit, and temperatures round 36,6C, but even in here, if you don't believe ask your self. Can you imagine intelligent energy ? or can you define energy overall? The Closest I have come up with is ability to do a job, to make things happen. Even this sentence has a hole for intelligence. Why fight about symbolism? I believe in Allah, you believe in Jesus Chris ... who's right and who's wrong? I heard a saying that "A Good Child has many names ..." and "everything is Written by the same hand". Then Why in Symphony of Harmony so many wars? and wars with no reason... who's gold shines brighter? So... Try to evolve... Try to open your eyes ... Hear The music ... and feel the warmth. It's Out there Waiting for You. AussieOi: hmm it was meant to be about greenpeace and not lots about you, and you and you and then allah. Thanks anyway. AussieOi: Odin is a member of green peace? . Good old wodensday was yesterday by the way. Wednesday. DJ_Athos: Odin is the name of "my hand" who has written everything, with helpers like Freya(Lovegoddess and spouse of Odin) and Thor(Black Smith and mechanics) and Poseidon(Seas). There are many more. Every field has it own "Specialist". But Living in Harmony... is the KEY! Have to! Learn! to Listen, to See, to Communicate with a surrounding environment.  Outbackjack: I suggest you do some research on the Sea Shepherd organisation.Much more effective and they are all volunteers as opposed to the paid tin rattlers you see in the street who wouldnt be there unless they were paid.  LiptonCambell: I mostly agree with Aussie. Their stance on Genetically Modified Foods offends me greatly, since its the poor and starving who suffer the most because of their actions(of which greenpeace members are most definately not), but I do agree that there is a need for them, if only a psychological need to feel "forgiven", and at least they aren't a violent organsation, like the aforementioned Sea Shepards Outbackjack: As an individualist McLipton,wouldnt you agree that all G.M.Os should be mandatory labelled so consumers can actually choose whether they want to consume them? LiptonCambell: If attempts were made to discouage the misinformation and fear mongering by these organsations, or make them legally accountable for their claims, yes. Such things need to go hand in hand. Otherwise, you "inform" the consumer what the foods contain without informing them what, exactly, that means for them and the risks involved. That doesn't create an informed consumer- thats just creates a witch hunt and scape goat Outbackjack: Fear mongering and misinformation? That is ultimately a matter of opinion.If people wish to avoid something that they consider may be harmful then they have a right to choose whether they want to consume it. At the moment there is no choice in a lot of countries. LiptonCambell: And at this point, there is no difference health-wise between GMO's and "natural" foods(of course, these foods have also been altered from their natural state- just using older, less reliable more time consuming technologies) So while we can form our own opinion, a organsation that is actively promoting the concept that these foods are harmful, when no evidence exists to support such a claim, is, yes, misinformation and fear mongering. You want an informed consumer? You should be opposing this organsation for attempting to mis-inform consumers. AussieOi: GMO is a debate I'm reluctant to steer into. I feel that future food demands will eventually demand GMO way over well fed ppl's foibles. However thats politics of need and not priciples of right and wrong. Stuffing around with nature tends to be what we do but at risk and peril. Industry labelling and seperating GMO from NON GMO may also be economically fraught and inaccurate for the sake of expediancy. Like a weed GMOs' becomes part of nature and intwines into ecosystems and food chains and us. Theres heaps more but i'm off to party  LiptonCambell: "GM foods currently available on the international market have passed risk assessments and are not likely to present risks for human health. In addition, no effects on human health have been shown as a result of the consumption of such foods by the general population in the countries where they have been approved. " ~World Health Organsation They also go on to say how GMO's have been given greater scrunity- meaning I was mistaken- they're not equally healthy- they're more healthy. AussieOi: I like very much the way personal tendencies towards loving argument narrow a room down to the protagonists of the tangentical bent. Here the bent flowed from Greenpeace as an organisation to one of its stances and its validity. Lets split more hairs and thoroughly confuse Odread. I miss that athos fella, bring him back  Greenpeace  Outbackjack: WHO for the most part is fine though in recent years it has become highly politicised through the actions of governments and the advisors of pharmaceutical companies.In short WHO used to be made up entirely of member states but now Corporations finance and dictate WHO policy. Also you need to consider its policy of appeasement towards China regarding Taiwan. I have dug up an old thread I have on here about GMOS and some facts regarding the lack of safety. Feel free to read and comment: http://www.wireclub.com/Forums/ViewTopic.aspx?ForumId=772987&ParentId=265425&Replied=6 LiptonCambell: Lol yea. of course. Theres a conspiracy. Evil Corporations. Gotcha. I think I've made my point- GMO's could help save billions(yes, Billions)- and Greenpeace is actively opposing it and spreading lies and mis-information. Greenpeace, in the past, convinced third world countries to reject aid because it was GMO's, causing millions to starve. For that reason, I do not like Greenpeace. AussieOi: My efforts did nothing to stifle a racorous (look it up! I did to spell it!) competative dive into minutiae. You two fellows should kiss and make a blog of your own to fight in. I like you though. |