The Education system (Page 2)

the real slim DEEPy: is beowulf too violent? what about 1984? it seems to describe our government in a vague manner. it always starts with the book burnings, one cannot rewrite history, if the real history still exists,

tbulb: No literature. Period. I taught them a simplified version of King Arthur (put it in a family context) and the kids were still complaining about Morgana three months afterward. Then a truly offensive novel: Island of the Blue Dolphins. Yup... completely offensive. Then poetry--which they ate up. And wrote. And rewrote. They were starving for stories.

Some of my other students weren't allowed to read ghost stories--not even Sleepy Hollow by Washington Irving. Talk about the slamming of minds firmly shut. So I found detective stories for them.

the real slim DEEPy: but sherlock holmes was a heroin user!!! and dick tracy has an innapropriate name.

the real slim DEEPy: i an rather curious about what schools are banning.

tbulb: No Sherlock Holmes for precisely that reason. Have a look at lists of banned books--Catcher in the Rye; Romeo and Juliet...and on and on.... There are some books that are inappropriate for certain ages-many of these books do need sensitive teaching--but so many get banned because some nutbar wants to inflict his/her beliefs on everyone else.

the real slim DEEPy: alice in wonderland, the cattepillar smoked opium. freud used coke, and made everything to be about som sexual abnormality, thats not child safe
hemmingway was a terrible drunk, is he a bad example?

uum, can you list and link the banned book list, and id like to discuss why some of them are inappropriate. ive never read catcher in the rye, ut, what the hell is wrong with romeo and juliet, gheexe, kids are gonna mimic it and commit suicide? that is way out there to think rmoeo and juliet incourages suicide

ghostgeek: Here in the UK there is a lot of angst concerning the state education system. From my own perspective I found school to be rather lackluster but that was a long time ago. There is no consistency here. Some schools offer a good education, others a poor one. It very much depends where you live and who your parents are. That seems unfair.

the real slim DEEPy: schools are supposed to expand your mind, not to form a cocoon around it from reality. if the n word was such a big issue over tom sawyer, why not simply rewuest a publisher to print it as

n*(((r? i dont see how every kid could have gotten the same books from the library system, so, obviously, required reading marerial may hafe to be provided. an order for a million tom sawyerw should justify an edit.

idditionally , instead of constantly creating more and newer pc banned words, why not teach the historical root of the word, to desimmioate the offending inferrence. the word ni))er, is actually a term from an african of the country of Niger. N I G E R is an african country, and has not changed its name to a pc name, here is also NIGERIA, right nextdoor. the words negro and ni&&&r, ar both derived from the terms for africans from these cuntries.

the word "retarded" is'was a technical medical term for severe cognitave deficciencies,

JAPanese and JEWish are clear in their roots

midget is also a medical term, as is dwarfism

words only become offensive when people confuse their misuse, for their historical roots, and only if people allow these words to hurt them.

the real slim DEEPy: pc newspeak is a silly pandering to certain persons misconceptions about a word. why shoud we protect misconseptions, why not disemminate misconcepions? certainly, you should go out of your way to pander to the mentally ir physically ill, but to pander to ignorance and misconception enables continual misconceptions. to disemminate misconceptions empowers a person

ghostgeek: Niger is the latin for black.

the real slim DEEPy: yes, it is, and its also an african country.

and heres another word that is mispercieved as a slur "nigardly"- which means "stingy". it also appears to share roots in spanish, which actually was derived from latin, and, surely the romans were not labeling africans as "stingy", sice africa was much wealthier at the time, especilly ethiopia, and ethiopians would have been the only dark skinned africans to travel rome, and were not at all stingy.

there is also no historica evidence that we referred to africans as black at that time, in all texts, they are labeled by their nationality, usually, "ethiopian", and not their skin color. thus, the root of niggardly being the latin word for black was in relation to being black-hearted, not black skinned- since history has no record of africans being labeled as collectively by their skin color until the american slave days, when the interbreeding of slaves from diferrent african countries resulted in the loss of a particular african nationality.

furthermore, it is even earlier rooted from the norse word "nigla" which means to complain about pettiness.

the real slim DEEPy: gheeze, we can educate each other, but damned if we are allowed to educate kids.

ghostgeek: There is a country in Africa called Niger. It seems that its name comes from the river Niger that flows through it. Where the river's name comes from nobody seems to know. The Romans knew it as Dasibari if my information is correct.

mayohead: Who wants t be my teacher?

Greyfeather: The school must also teach what is beyond the roles, the idea of the
individual himself and others. The concept of role, function, and even
the sum of roles and social functions which are also not enough to
characterize the individual,we fall into the fallacy of
keeping curricula but not keeping the individual!
When the individual ends his educational level, he won’t be able to
make personal decisions because he seeks to remember everything that
is stored in advance so he becomes irresponsible for his actions and
continues to rely on others. Education is a process that aims to make desirable changes in the
behavior of individuals. Education does not end on the
school seats. It begins with life and continues to its end. It is a
preparation for life. The school is a chosen society whose method is to
collect experience and shorten time in order to achieve certain goals. In a
specified period...