Wall St. Plunges in 1st Quarter '18 Metaverseguy: Problems in the Fed. reserve cause a massive drop in Dow Jones. Lowest dip in 5-10 years.  RobStorm: more complex...derivatives, margin calls, TVIX, UVXY heavy volume, higher interest rates on 10 year....watch gap up or down volume Monday for added clues..NOT over likely  The giant midget: Just a few simple hiccups and some sneezing here and there ,just make sure that you don't assume that the stock markets and the economy are the same Some financial media gurus will tell us otherwise Metaverseguy: Surprisingly Apple went up after I purchased a couple shares, but you know the NYSE is unpredictable. Apple is one of those stocks, like most F500's where it's volatile. Dips, curves, dividends, charts, graphs. Oh boy the joy of investing.  (Post deleted by skikewee ) Metaverseguy: Hey some of these stock shares are expensive! and they could sit for months without moving, but I read that stocks have been doing well lately. (Post deleted by skikewee ) The giant midget: Meta if you are saying that some stocks are expensive you shouldn't Even be in the market never mind trying to preach about stocks Buy another cell phone or go to Disney world .take on fishing or rodeo festivals Educate yourself 1st about the monopoly of the market and please don't forget about the 3 R'' s 1) research 2) research 3) re evaluation Metaverseguy: Rodeo festivals? That seems kind of random. Yes, some stocks are expensive. I think there is even one company where one share is over $100,000.  theHating: Stock price and warrant price are based on separate things. It is likely that a "stock" trading at 100,000$ is a warrant that is driven by capital investment instead of demand for ownership of said stock/company. The fact that a warrant would ask at $100,000 on the bid does not reflect the same way that a public share would reflect the value of the compnany, its asset/debt, its demand. Another intrinsical feature of warrants is that you are betting or risking cash for a return, so instead of buying 50,000 shares of company Y on the nyse, you invest your 100,000 dollars into an executable contract and cut out the middleman all-together. theHating: Some platforms sell forms of executable warrants to make up for losses on bets they make against their platform customers. Those are called binary options, they are time-sensitive warrants that are driven by the underlying derivative stock price of that particular stock, and require a percentage capital risk on a 100-share contract. Well, thats where the volatility index comes in because that fund was designed not just to capitalize on volatility, but for a place for hedgefund managers to dump their losing investments on derivatives. When it spikes, that is not a real result of what interest rates are doing, it is a result of poor capital management in derivatives. You are right to short any capitalist market, but that impulse is depressed by contrived demand and inflating the prices on equities has more of a link to fed rates, but is largely irrelevant compared to how big money can fire up a preliminary round of monthly contracts. So, sorry to ruin capitalism for y'all, but stock prices are contrived, and do not reflect the real value of assets, im not sure what makes people think obama changed any of that, but... It isn't a question of how much money to loan to subsidized banks and at what percentage, that only effects the future rate that its called it at, i guarantee you that the market would have crashed in 2018 regardless of fed policy because that is what happens when you heap more cash onto your pile of cash, sure things increase in price, like food, water, energy. But the rates that derivatives increase does not have a lot to do with fed rates, mathematically speaking, when you have a handful of funds pumping billions of dollars in and out of the creamy milk bucket economy we have. But this drives up prices more than tanking half a trillion dollars into banks at nearly 0% interest. (Edited by theHating) theHating: Well, we understand all of that so why do we think obama managed the economy so well and trump is just trashing it? Well, obama was slightly more socialist than your average democrat these days, but also more dogmatic to the liberal agenda, thats why we make fun of liberals. The liberal agenda is not socialist and favors capital investment. So the little stalin in obama's head said to give out a handout and then the bush sr. voice interrupted to correct stalin by calling it a capital investment owned by the government. But since obama oversaw it, we have to call it a bailout. If it seems circular, its because it totally is! So when the bailout fund rolled down the red carpet, the result of that saw a huge bull trend. Then trump's relaxed corporate tax law allowed companies to bring in all there overseas profits at a lower earnings rate. This money was never intended to bailout failing industries, it was to balance the books on their loosing derivatives and to further subsidize the derivative business model. It blows my mind that people think obama managed the economy so well and now trump is comin and screwing it all up, sorry but you have fallen for theater tricks if you believe trump has any control over what corporations do to their own equities. theHating: Another thing about large public companies and fiscal policy is the desire to affect the working classes in a positive way, as the workers are the true backbone of the economy, not the handful of fund managers, so we are told to respect the fund managers as job creators.... So bail em out, they are the largest job creators.. That's basically untrue and it isnt hard to see how untrue it is when you look at actual retention. Sure, at times walmart may create 400 jobs, meanwhile 400 small business owners just hired 1-3 people every quarter. According to the bureau of labor stats, small business creates 62% of americas jobs, so why are we taxing them at 50-70% and large corporations at 5-35%??? The giant midget: Small business owners create far more jobs and contribute to the local economy than large corporations We pay less respect to governments that's why we pay hire taxes theHating: Elon and bezos are busy with nasa working on commercialized space programs under the guise of "military defense spending", but if i ask for a free ticket to mars under the guise of "imminent global catastrophe" on earth -- HANDOUT! SOCIALISM! Metaverseguy: Read in the news today stock market had its worst day since August, dow is as low as it was back in October '19 The giant midget: Oh I see You are just trying to look into the glass house but it's all tinted windows If you ever come up with some coin look up Insulin production and its injection hardware 62 % of the population of the USA is diabetic and they need Insulin Just saying Eh | Business Chat Room Similar Conversations |
