e_loganx I mean, it's a life-changing experience, and you really have to work up courage to do it.
e_loganx Because it is a kind of death that happens.
e_loganx Of course, temporary, you come back to ordinary consciousness.
e_loganx But many people don't realize this is possible.
e_loganx Especially atheists.
youarewell2 Drugs is a gateway for Negative Horrific Beings to take control of your inner self
e_loganx It didn't feel that way at all, youarewell2.
e_loganx I didn't feel anything negative in the experience.
youarewell2 God shows up by simply speaking to us and arranging events to introduce himself
youarewell2 He is not interesting in scaring you so bad you think you will die
e_loganx In fact, my sensitivity in the negativity in others was amplified. If someone around me was being negative, then it came off as really negative.
youarewell2 Logan I have heard that before from some others
e_loganx youarewell2, the reason I think this happens is because religions that practice these disciplines offer faith.
youarewell2 Hi Clang
e_loganx And faith in and of itself gives you permission to let go.
e_loganx Further and further into the dissolution of these God experiences.
clang2562 Hi youare
youarewell2 Logan, I was not a part of a group
youarewell2 or a church
e_loganx You see, they practiced this in shamanistic religions, too, with psychedelics.
youarewell2 I was an enemy of GOd
e_loganx The shamans didn't think they were going to die, because they had an active psychedelic religion that helped them navigate through these experiences.
e_loganx We don't have that today. We're re-learning through the science, and through how these things had been historically used.
youarewell2 Logan, I think you should carefully consider the testimonies of those who say they had an encounter with God before you dismiss them
e_loganx youarewell2, I resonate with them.
youarewell2 God is not a religion
e_loganx When I had this experience, I started resonating with the writings of Plotinus, the Hindu mystics on Brahman, Jesus references to The Father, etc.
youarewell2 the Bible is not a religion but a history book relevant to those who are related to God
e_loganx The Father is not a paternalistic supernatural deity as many naive Christians imagine.
e_loganx It's rather a term the ancient mystics used to describe God as they understood it, it's a kind philosophical Absolute.
youarewell2 Logan, I disagree and I am not naive
youarewell2 but I understand you are telling me your experience
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e_loganx youarewell2, sure, and it inspired me to study comparative religion.
youarewell2 lol Smoke
e_loganx And the early Church Fathers, the Cappadocian Fathers, the Hesychast ascetics, etc.
e_loganx I find it all very interesting now.
youarewell2 due to that experience?
youarewell2 How did you get out of that state of psychedelic trance you were in ?
e_loganx It wears off.
e_loganx After hours, though.
e_loganx So, you've got to put up with it for a while.
e_loganx Muhammad in the Tawhid declares that the experience of God is one that transcends the senses.
youarewell2 God just speaks to you . lol
e_loganx It's not something you see with your physical eyes.
e_loganx youarewell2, to anyone who has this experience.
e_loganx And it's not a voice you hear.
youarewell2 God has a way to build an understanding with the person that He is real and He is there.
e_loganx Yes, via mystical experiences.
e_loganx In Christianity, it's called Theoria (direct vision of God).
e_loganx But all the major religions have a name for it.
youarewell2 God is not a mystical experience
e_loganx Samadhi in Hinduism, nirvana in Buddhism, Fana in Islam, sekhel mufla in Judaism, wu wei in Taoism, etc.
e_loganx God is not the mystical experience, I agree.
e_loganx It's a fundamental transformation of one's perception where you can have the sense of yourself as all things, time collapses into a single moment in that experience.
e_loganx So, that's why all the early mystics gave monistic descriptions of God.
youarewell2 Oh really?
e_loganx They were speaking of a fundamental transformation of perception. A metanoia.
e_loganx In other words, God is the revelation in consciousness.
e_loganx youarewell2, I'm sure I've posted the lectures that go over the characteristics of this experience.
youarewell2 Logan there are other spiritual beings that are not organic, that can be assumed to be divine. How do these early mystics know they spoke to the one True God or did they speak to these other supernatural intelligent non-humanistic beings?
e_loganx Roland Griffiths on "The Mystical Experience and Psilocybin Research" <--- At approximately 8:24, that's when Dr. Roland Griffiths starts expanding on what this experience entails.
youarewell2 oh Dr. Roland Griffith, I see
e_loganx youarewell2, you're thinking of God in terms of a entity, as some kind of form.
e_loganx It's not as though you meet some supernatural entity in a mystical experience that is God.
e_loganx What happens is there is a dissolution within the subject-object dichotomy that you have in your everyday ordinary consciousness.
youarewell2 Logan, that is not what all drug users say though
youarewell2 They definitely met a demon
e_loganx Then they probably didn't take enough.
e_loganx This is the track record with the scientific studies.
e_loganx And they're using a single high dose.
e_loganx You see, if they're describing "demons," they're still describing something that is separate from themselves.
e_loganx In the "complete" mystical experience, there's no "this" to point to a "that."
FunkyBiscuits82 Hello Peoples
e_loganx Everything is literally one from that vantage point.
youarewell2 Hi Fun!
FunkyBiscuits82 Hello You
e_loganx Hey, Funky...
FunkyBiscuits82 Hello Logan
e_loganx Has anyone here tried to call you FunkyMonkey?
FunkyBiscuits82 probably lol
youarewell2 Logan. Now your experience does not mean that is what everyone experienced on LSD or other drugs like it. Nor does Dr. ROland have all those experiences in his research
FunkyBiscuits82 I am sure it's happened
youarewell2 Many people have had drug trips and saw Evil being and have been hurt by them
youarewell2 or had a Negative evil outcome
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