We were talking-about the love that's gone so cold and the people,
Who gain the world and lose their soul-
They don't know-they can't see-are you one of them?
When you've seen beyond yourself-then you may find, peace of mind,
Is waiting there-
And the time will come when you see
we're all one, and life flows on within you and without you.
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SleepAwake: i agree completely..to the second half of this....
but my question is why these particular/specific value systems...like what historical events brought us here...i'm not an essentialist/naturalist so i aim to understand why these dynamics came to being...
like on a less loaded subject..why pink for women and blue for boys...im sure we can agree this is socially constructed and not natural..i'm interested in understanding the history and thus being able to understand the construction better...to understand why it is the way it is...how it functions historically and presently...how to change/not change it...really curious about the production of "truth"..
im an artist my whole life is just about trying to subvert perception...and perception is reality... so im trying to figure out shared realities/agreed upon realities/subjective realities...as much as possible.
Kelticguy: We can agree that naturalism doesnt equate to truth, or to truth vaue philosophically or to 'what ought to be'. Nonetheless, it is not the case that the 'natural' has no effect on reality. The fact that a man is physically more powerful than a woman in a given situation certainly matters.And so it goes for many natural inequalities, it just doesnt follow that they map straight into our brain, or that they are not read through multiply overlapping cultural filters or even the extreme foucauldian case, the way in which they are served up culturally is itself an entire fabrication.That conversation is still on going and I tread a line between nature and culture rather than jumping into the deep water of either side of the river.In terms of understanding it historically, that is a worthy goal, but like with anything, the assumptions and perspective involved will affect what is 'revealed'
Kelticguy: Given that Althusser took a lot of his ideas from Lacan, I thought this might interest you, warning it is pretty vicious: http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/159376.article
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SleepAwake: no im using like..either thick mylar, or thin plexie...and styrofoam and fabric and paper mache mostly...im an artist i can turn anything into anything...not too mention i collect art supplies (hoarder) so have years and years worth of styrofoam blocks and packaging of every size, weird fabrics, wires, sculpty, craft shit, cardboard, etc..it will probably be cheaper than it is for me to build a canvas.
SleepAwake: why do people on here say they 25-30 on their profile and confirm that in conversation when their pictures are clearly that of someone in their late 40s? Who are you trying to fool? Why even put pictures? if you are on here to lie about your age (or who you are in any way) just put fake pictures up like everyone else? (or no pictures)
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This is one of the most beautiful videos i have ever seen. I know its long but its worth every second.
KristianEspedal: I love what you are doing here. I would like to see you also explore where you think the art experience may reach in the future and how that future may reflect social consequences or benefits to this evolution in art.
SleepAwake has a new blog post: Removing Authority and Denouncing Allied Status, How to Discuss The Other
prollysomeday: Although there are a multitude of issues in the article, there are two points I wish to make now after reading this exemplary and elucidating approach to the problem of injustice in the world.
Firstly, although I support the view that silence not only means complicity but also stimulates injustice, I still am inclined not to engage in dialogue or discussion or vocal protest within the body politic. My concern is to withdraw support from all participants in the said injustice by taking implicit social, economic and political measures as an individual. In this way, I make my life more lonely, more difficult and more depressive, but I live in that "oppositional consciousness" that does justice to the values I possess. I do not wish to speak publicly or ally myself with any group because I believe that our modes of speech in public are subverted, and can be subverted, to any given end on the basis of metaphors, myths and economies of representation that, in the context of a technologically superior age that has supposedly discovered the most efficient economic system to sustain itself, are currency in the media, in conventions, in speeches and in meetings. I believe that knowledge of my "oppositional consciousness" can be enough to make participants in injustice hesitate in their actions if not lead them to stop it. I hope to develop a language, a style and a mode of communication that enable me to speak my mind and put across this consciousness in such a way that my thoughts, my ideas and my values are on par with the dominant languages and styles. I hope to show that these latter styles and modes are not the only truth; it will be enough for me that I have spoken my mind and cast my darts into the consciences of authorities and powers without being in the least ready to meet their responses or to impose my way of thinking upon them.
Secondly, I fully accept and embrace the idea that my opposition and my own ideology are very particular to the age I live in, and therefore I shall not maintain that they must hold under every regime on earth. I am flexible with regard to my position and my thinking. One day it may be - but I doubt in my lifetime - that the glory that we are told our eyes should see and the justice that we are told we should cherish will genuinely hold in every country, and that injustice may exist on a scale much diminished. Until that time comes, however, I shall continue to build my consciousness and my opposition,and I shall speak in my language of ambiguity, ambivalence and multivalence to bypass the traps of conventional dialogue and cast the sidewise, acerbic darts that I spoke of above.
Finally, knowing the author of this article to be one who faces her own problems in the mental realm just as I do in my own way with respect to my mind, I am elevated, jubilated, inspired and ecstatic that it is those people like us who have to seek mental therapies that can often speak with such clarity, wisdom, courage and articulateness on issues that "normal" people would speak about in the most impressive but also the most useless way.
Therefore, I thank the author for giving me a chance to express my mind and to show that the night which yawns at my feet every moment cannot necessarily consume me and stifle my voice. If I am allies with no party in the real world, I am at least allies with those like her who speak as they do and who fight as they do.
SleepAwake: "I hope to develop a language, a style and a mode of communication that enable me to speak my mind and put across this consciousness in such a way that my thoughts, my ideas and my values are on par with the dominant languages and styles"
I think this is where art/poetry/etc are really effective, under the guise as being creative over critical you can propose much more radical ideas without being ostracized...potentially even penetrate those who would normally dismiss those ideologies.