Do you believe in Aliens? (Page 120)

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Cherokee 26
Cherokee 26: Though I have never seen any aliens or UFO's for myself.....to say that we are completely alone in a universe as massive as ours is...would be ignorant to say that no life out there at all exists and we are the only ones....religiously or scientifically...the chances of there being other life forms out there somewhere is highly likely...now do I think we will ever see it...no....the technology doesn't exist for us and most likely never will...and being said...i doubt another race somewhere else would either.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: With what the human race knows today it would be possible to colonise the galaxy. It might take a million years but it is feasible if the will exists.
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lori100
lori100: Very good video angle! I will watch all in the series.
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lori100
lori100: They exist ....-------
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ghostgeek
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lori100
lori100: ce--------The US government signed an agreement in 1954 with extraterrestrials granting them the right to experiment on humans and cattle in exchange for technology. This agreement was known as the Grenada Treaty and is a well-documented event. The original terms for this treaty were that only a small number of humans could be abducted, they had to be returned to their original locations, their memories had to be wiped, and the aliens were supposed to submit a list of the individuals they were taking to Majestic-12. However, after a few years of this, it became clear that the aliens were taking far more humans than they had originally bargained for, which spawned the origins of the alien-human conflict that persists to this day
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Corwin
Corwin: The Grenada Treaty was signed between the USA and Grenada in 1986, and had to do with commercial trade and import/export taxation... nothing to do with space-aliens.

Perhaps you are referring to the fictional Greada Treaty of 1954 regarding deals made with space-aliens? That one is a complete work of fiction, and there is NO record of it.

You'll believe just about anything, won't you Lori?
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: Lol I love how she claims it's well documented.....and yet, you can't find any credible documentation on it....
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lori100
lori100: At Longwood Warren , England in 1995 a crop formation depicting the orbits of planets in the inner solar system to an accuracy of 99%. The number of circles in the 'asteroid belt' depict the exact number of years the alignment shown actually occurs in the heavens; furthermore, the overlay clearly demonstrates Hawkins' Theorem II, where the relationship between the large circle and asteroids is an exact octave. This one occurred in total darkness.
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: what do you mean to an accuracy of 99%? I certainly don't believe you're referring to scale- the sun is way more massive than the inner solar system, and in the crop circle, it's shown to be almost the size of mars. Also, Earth is missing from the circle

But lets assume that all the planets are in the proper position to one another- does this mean aliens? Nope- humanity has known the position of the planets for thousands of years- we knew where mars was in relation to Venus before we even had telescopes. People have studied this crop circle, and even know the day the solar system will appear as it does in the circle- Aug 31/Sept 1st, 2033

http://www.lucypringle.co.uk/photos/1995/uk1995bi.shtml

I tried finding the source of your claims, since it'd be a waste of time to discuss 'Hawkins' Theorem II' and and how its an exact octave, since you clearly have no idea what that is- you just copied and pasted, because it just sounded sufficiently sciencey.....and here it is- the website of author Freddy Silva, who also using his website to sell books, DVD's, crop circle healing cards, public appearances, and even takes donations- how noble of him!

http://www.cropcirclesecrets.org/circlemakers.html
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Wonderbunny
Wonderbunny: Thanks for the link.
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xapim
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jimeeze1
jimeeze1: We get it that there are a lot of fake things out there but when you have seen as much testimony from peeps like this and from ordinary peeps that have no reason to lie it pretty much becomes a fact....I have said many times that if just one account is true; then there is some credibility to this....it really seems to be a scientific truth at this point....it occurs to me that a lot of occult phenomenon have an commonality.......gods....structures and feats of engineering far beyond the capability of man at that time....sightings and testimony from generations of peeps world wide of creatures crafts and abductions.....it seems to me that they have lived here or visited us possibly since the dawn of man....or maybe had a hand in it....but one thing is for sure; just because there are fakes out there doesn't make the overwhelming evidence any less true....my biggest question still is; what is their agenda? If there is more than one alien species the answer is most likely as varied as the species.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Let's not jump to conclusions. Just because there have always been reports of strange goings on, it doesn't necessarily mean aliens were involved. In the late nineteenth century there was a wave of "airship" sightings before practicable airships were around. Were people seeing alien craft? Possibly, but before assuming so take a look at what was being reported. When you hear of anchors on ropes being deployed and sailors climbing down this sounds very unalien like. Certainly not something you would expect being alluded to concerning interstellar craft. An alternative explanation might be that people were trying to describe an unknown phenomenon in terms they could comprehend.
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: >>>.it really seems to be a scientific truth at this point....

That's not how facts, or scientific facts, work.

I could hold a rabbit up for everyone to see, and we could all vote on it's sex- perhaps some people would go around, insisting they saw gentials, ect- and the majority voted yes, the rabbit is male- but that doesn't prove anything.

Truth cannot be determined by the number of people who believe it, or the number of people who are vocal about their beliefs.

And it certainly does not make a scientific fact- scientific facts need, like, scientific proof.

What you are suggesting is a logical fallacy called "argumentum ad populum"- "appeal to the people"

" a fallacious argument that concludes a proposition to be true because many or most people believe it. In other words, the basic idea of the argument is: "If many believe so, it is so."

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Examples

Nine out of ten of my constituents oppose the bill, therefore it is a bad idea.
Fifty million Elvis fans can't be wrong.
Everyone's doing it.
In a court of law, the jury vote by majority; therefore they will always make the correct decision.
Many people buy extended warranties, therefore it is wise to buy them.
Millions of people agree with my viewpoint, therefore it must be true.
The majority of this country voted for this President, therefore this president can't be wrong

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The argumentum ad populum is a red herring and genetic fallacy. It appeals on probabilistic terms; given that 75% of a population answer A to a question where the answer is unknown, the argument states that it is reasonable to assume that the answer is indeed A. In cases where the answer can be known but is not known by a questioned entity, the appeal to majority provides a possible answer with a relatively high probability of correctness.

There is the problem of determining just how many are needed to have a majority or consensus. Is merely greater than 50% significant enough and why? Should the percentage be larger, such as 80 or 90 percent, and how does that make a real difference? Is there real consensus if there are one or even two people who have a different claim that is proven to be true?

It is logically fallacious because the mere fact that a belief is widely held is not necessarily a guarantee that the belief is correct; if the belief of any individual can be wrong, then the belief held by multiple persons can also be wrong. The argument that because 75% of people polled think the answer is A implies that the answer is A fails, because, if opinion did determine truth, then there would be no way to deal with the discrepancy between the 75% of the sample population that believe the answer is A and 25% who are of the opinion that the answer is not A. However small a percentage of those polled give an answer other than A, this discrepancy by definition disproves any guarantee of the correctness of the majority. In addition, this would be true even if the answer given by those polled were unanimous, as the sample size may be insufficient, or some fact may be unknown to those polled that, if known, would result in a different distribution of answers.
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>>>just because there are fakes out there doesn't make the overwhelming evidence any less true....

And just because there are overwhelming evidence out there doesn't make the conclusion true. The evidence is flimsy, despite your insistence of it being overwhelming- there is no spaceship, or DNA evdience, or anything.

The way I look at it, the kind of evidence on here can be divided into 3 major groups;

1.Witness Testimony

We've been over this a million times- peoples testimony of an event is kinda useless. We've all played the game where we whisper something in someones ear, and by the end it's horribly distorted- and the human mind is just like that. You may WANT to believe people have photographic memories, and how they remember it is how it happened- but that is simply not the case.



2. Vague Recorded Event

This is when a light is in the sky, and is moving too fast to be a plane. What could it be? Could it be a bug, too close to the camera? Space aliens? Experimental planes? An intentional hoax? Lights reflecting off bats and birds? Satalites? Pixies or Dragons? Angels? maybe even a phenomom we haven't yet recorded, like a smaller version of ball lightning, or even rips in the universe?

Who knows- it's a fast light. It isn't anymore evidence of aliens than it is evidence of Pixies. The only thing we can be certain of when we look at these things is 'we don't know what it is'- we mustn't get so narrow minded and focused on proving our beliefs that any mysterious event is instantly associated as proof of our beliefs.

Sadly, though, it often is.

3. Clear recorded event

Videos of aliens walking around, high-fiving people, and ordering at Burger King, with scary music- no doubt they use scary music because of how unhealthy Burger King is- is still not evidence of aliens. It just creates further questions- like why can aliens breathe our air? Why don't they leave behind physical, tangible evidence of their existence? I can't even commit a murder without my DNA and tons of bacteria from fleeing my body, waiting for the CSI to find it later. Why is it that no one has simply collecting alien semen, and proved that they're real?

What about snatching something off their shelves when they're busy with the probe machine?Or knocking them out, and stealing their ship?

When you claim something has to be pretty much true, one simple overwhelming fact appears- why is there no physical evidence? Why is there only witness accounts- a man witnessed it, and is now talking about it, or a man saw it, and held a camera in that direction- but nothing physical??

And you want us to believe it, not because it's been proven to exist, but because some people hold conviction?
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Corwin
Corwin: You could have summed that up briefly by just saying that Jimeeze doesn't have a clue about what "scientific fact" or "scientific evidence" means.
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: True, but dismissing a claim without explaining to them why they're wrong seems so.....dismissive....
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Corwin
Corwin: Good point... and kudos for a very thorough explanation... but I fear it will fall on deaf ears.

Those eager to believe will not be swayed by logic or reason... and yet they will continue to throw around terms like "scientific fact" as if to somehow validate their irrational beliefs.
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lori100
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jimeeze1
jimeeze1: Being skeptic is one thing....being blind in another....just because of mistaken identity or fakes doesn't make it all a joke.....basically you are saying that everyone is mistaken or stupid...what an ego.....the director of the CIA on his deathbed says they are real!!! Everyone cant be mistaken or lying!....Lips ego is so big its almost a joke...you are not omnipotent all seeing all knowing....if you have doubts I understand that but to claim that all proof is bogus is just ridiculous....it is a scientific fact that there is blocks carved out of the hardest rocks on the face of the earth with such precision that we would have to use millions of dollars of equipment to carve and transport these blocks that weigh many tons...and the wheel had not yet been invented ....I saw nasa's film footage of a missle being launched at a object that took a right turn in an instance traveling at thousands of mph....we have nothing that can do that...I could go on and on but whats the point...peeps with closed minds wont ever say "hey; maybe their is something going on here"....don't copy and paste what I say Lip....I know what I say and everyone can read unless you think you are the only on that can!
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fromeveryangle: YouTube humble is universal well being.
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