The Big Bang Theory (Page 5)
risen_sun86: I just read thru the 'Origin of Species' by ours truly, Charles Darwin. I was a little taken back as i was reading the conclusion. Darwin was a believer in God. Evolution, a mechanism of God. I guess where i was going with this, so many people hold to Evolution as the anti-God idea, which was never what this was intended to be. Just an outline of the possibilities after God's influence, or perhaps even the continuity of God's influence.
risen_sun86: I was aware of Darwin's roots in Christianity, but i was under the impression that after the concept of Evolution had settled, he drifted away from his faith.
lavendar_star: I just saw a documentary presented by Stephen Hawkins about if God made the universe obviously it was no. It was well done documentary for the laywomen of science like me to understand that there was no time before the big bang and that something which took millions of years to evolve into the universe we live in now did come from nothing.
However, for many having some supernatural being create the universe is easier to understand then the concept of the Big bang theory and the mechanise behind it. I must note that I am agnostic atheists but science is not my field of interest as I said for many the fairy tales of how the universe begun with no credible scientific evidence is easy to deal with then the sound explanation of the Big bang theory.
cuarl: Previous post is why religion is so popular in poor uneducated countries and why it dies with education and knowledge
slasian: My question lies on time; I read many of you guys using the word 'time' well how can we count cosmic time? Sure it doesn't start with our solar system, and "sure our scientists use the light rays" (**the quote is a sarcastic) but can they even tell which light ray is from the big-bang and which is from a young star? I had been reading about the cosmic time thing and it is nothing but a scientific fiction.
@ lovender, it is not easy to understand how some supernatural being creates such a bib big big universe. Matter of fact, the easier way is the exact opposite and claim that the universe it self is the supernatural being that created it own self.
cuarl: Its very easy to understand that some guy in the cloud said there will be light and there was light. Its made to be easy. Then you can complicate it as much as you want because its a story.
Big Bang is a theory but a very well accepted theory. Im glad you read some science material too but you might want to look in to your sources. Light rays from big bang??
lavendar_star: I agree with your sentiment to a certain extent cuarl but I watched a documentary on mormans/later day saints and they believe in some crazy stuff as well the usual Christian dogma and religion is still quite strong in general in America. So one can still be educated but have a strong believe in religion quite a contradiction but still reality none the less.
slasian: @cruarl, it is in fact impossible to understand how a supernatural is able to create the universe whether you are an atheist or believer you can not comprehend the idea, the pop himself, or the supernatural/ the Creator, could not understand and I surly say to you it is easier to understand the big bang theory. Though the first is old fable and the second is new one. People think that it is easy to say a creator created the universe but one cannot even grasp the idea of how a single being could exist and create all these, personally it is impossible for me to comprehend.
The big bang which is relatively a new fable that babbles some thing about the beginning says there was a mater before the beginning of the beginning and it explodes in the beginning resulting to be the universe, the first matter or the energy that explodes or the thing that is matter and energy was neither created it was there, take it or leave but it was there. It is the same shit, religion says there was a God and it created all, it has been there before the beginning and will be there forever (another baffling term) take it or leave it. At least the big-bang is easy to understand, the things are ruled by low of physics and they had an end which of course might result in a new beginning forever will be eternal cycle. I think, you had understood my statement, when lavender says it is easy to understand how some supernatural thing creates the universe, I said no it is not because even those who are the leaders of religion couldn't say which one
Again what and how do we count cosmic time, we know we are only able to count time with the help of light, which light from which energy? The age of the universe is 14billion light years? What is our initial frame of reference? When they measure distances they say we can see a 47 billion light years away object while at the same time they say the farthest object in the universe must only be 7 billion light years ahead.
This is the explanation by our so-understanding theoretical 'scientists' forwarded for the question of the distance time dilemma. Can any of you made a tale and a head out of it? Well if it had.
This question makes some hidden assumptions about space and time which are not consistent with all definitions of distance and time. One assumes that all the galaxies left from a single point at the Big Bang, and the most distant one traveled away from us for half the age of the Universe at almost the speed of light, and then emitted light which came back to us at the speed of light. By assuming constant velocities, we must ignore gravity, so this would only happen in a nearly empty Universe. In the empty Universe, one of the many possible definitions of distance does agree with the assumptions in this question: the angular size distance, and it does reach a maximum value of the speed of light times one half the age of the Universe
"What is the distance NOW to the most distant thing we can see? Let's take the age of the Universe to be 14 billion years. In that time light travels 14 billion light years, and some people stop here. But the distance has grown since the light traveled. The average time when the light was traveling was 7 billion years ago. For the critical density case, the scale factor for the Universe goes like the 2/3 power of the time since the Big Bang, so the Universe has grown by a factor of 22/3 = 1.59 since the midpoint of the light's trip. But the size of the Universe changes continuously, so we should divide the light's trip into short intervals. First take two intervals: 7 billion years at an average time 10.5 billion years after the Big Bang, which gives 7 billion light years that have grown by a factor of 1/(0.75)2/3 = 1.21, plus another 7 billion light years at an average time 3.5 billion years after the Big Bang, which has grown by a factor of 42/3 = 2.52. Thus with 1 interval we got 1.59*14 = 22.3 billion light years, while with two intervals we get 7*(1.21+2.52) = 26.1 billion light years. With 8192 intervals we get 41 billion light years. In the limit of very many time intervals we get 42 billion light years. With calculus this whole paragraph reduces to this.
Another way of seeing this is to consider a photon and a galaxy 42 billion light years away from us now, 14 billion years after the Big Bang. The distance of this photon satisfies D = 3ct. If we wait for 0.1 billion years, the Universe will grow by a factor of (14.1/14)2/3 = 1.0048, so the galaxy will be 1.0048*42 = 42.2 billion light years away. But the light will have traveled 0.1 billion light years further than the galaxy because it moves at the speed of light relative to the matter in its vicinity and will thus be at D = 42.3 billion light years, so D = 3ct is still satisfied".
slasian: That's why I say it is impossible to understand a creationist view, it will also creates another question what is the nature of this God? How could it do this? Yet the big bang is also a fable, a fable that had scientific mask. I would personally consider it as a fever if you guys can tell us some thing about cosmic time and distance in the universe according to the big bang theory.
slasian: hoho the man from the library of nonsense, aren't you so busy reading the bible and trying to understand it? You couldn't even understand a 2000 years old book no worry no one could understand it too. From what I know about you, you couldn't tell a shit from shinola despite following the mass because of your insecurity to stand as an individual. You couldn't even read a post above your... emm no need to say that word, just above geoff's post which show the summery of the answer written in the books, I know that you didn't read any single book on the subject but you brag as if you are a friend of Hawkins hehehehehe.
To the rest let it out, what you know, lets share....
slasian: So this is your scientific answer? hehehe I thought you were only a fag but you are dummy too.
slasian: And does any one ever had comprehend God Mr. risen-sun86? (I do agree with your statement that the concept of God is the most difficult thing to comprehend).
lavendar_star: So slasian or Mr Risen please give reasoning of what God is? as the only God I know of is the God of the Abraham religions and that God those not exist before that people believed in many Gods and Goddess.
Until I have fully reasoning on what this God is, who people speak of, how am i suppose to accept that God started the big bang not that I would lol, which in itself doest make sense!!! as why take so long to create humans, why go through the whole process of evolution for all living beings on this planet, and is God dead then? and where did God come from in the first place? Why didn't humans know of God until couple of thousands of years ago? For me if God has always been where is it, what's is it doing, Either way the Big Bang theory and evolution makes sound sense then some mysterious being creating Universe and all that's in it? as why did God do it?
I know alot of questions but there is no proof of God but yet people are still meant to beleive?
slasian: @lavender I did not say I know what God is, If you were mislead by my comment to risen_sun, I am sorry, I was the one who said it is even harder to understand the concept of God and how a supernatural being creates the universe. But this doesn't also mean that the big bang is irrefutable.
@one bar the Bible also teaches fags will be burn in hell. heheh. That book teach many thing you might not like.