Science Thought Experiment #1 (Page 3)
Wireclub Admin: Noah: You don't really understand the law then, I am sorry
We are trying to explain to you that you are wrong on your interpretation of it, I hope you will at least consider the possibility you should do some reading to make sure what you think is right, is actually right.
veronica: im guessing hes not a sci fi fan hes never watched star trek
or star gate if so he would pick up the basics .
Outbackjack: Noah (wtf is with the name change).
If me being nasty is me challenging your credentials as a qualified scientist then I am happy to be called nasty.
I really dont know what makes you tick.
What about the claim that you had worked out a way to go faster than the speed of light but for the life of you couldnt out work why sceintists had not worked it out by now?
Entropy: He's not a qualified scientist. He is a self proclaimed "scientist," with no schooling to match.
wattle: I am not to cluey in science, however I am familiar with the grandfather paradox when it comes to travelling to the past. So what would be different with travelling to the future.
Please dont mock me if I sound like a twit. I
have already confessed I dont know too much. I am simply curious
Thatcdnguy eh!: OK....Maybe wrong here eh but I am thinking about spelunkers..
I spent about 3 hours trying to find the reference material I was thinking of but can't so I'll go on memory here eh.
I remember watching about how a group of spelunkers went into a cave for 5 days eh.When the emerged they had only thought 3 days past.I am going on the assumptions:
1:they had no time pieces for the following reasons
2:they had no schedule so were unconcerned about the passage of time
3:I am remembering the amount of time that passed correctly(it was a few years back)
Would this be proof time is a learned thing that the human mind developed and could be unlearned eh?no time pieces or benchmark to measure against.(at least as far as human time is measured and notactually time itself i.e:an hour compared to a minute)
Would this be an example of time travel???For them the world was two days ahead of them eh.Imagine if they went down there for a year eh.
Thanks in advance for anyone's input eh....
veronica: there was a case where 5 french laborers were traped in a bunker on
D day and survived for over 5 years eventually there candells ran out and thay lived in total darkness for 3 years , what whould there concept of time have been sensory depravation it must have felth like an eternity, thay all eventually died there bodies wernt discovered till many years later.
Wireclub Admin: I am done with this thread. Noah, you can't make science by just thinking and writing about it - that is just not how it works
You shouldn't dare to claim that our race's most brilliant minds are wrong without some strong evidence to back it up. The burden of proof is on you.
Seriously, what makes you think you are more qualified than people that devoted their whole lives to their areas of expertise? Do you really think you are on to something that everyone else have overlooked? What are the odds of that? You are underestimating a lot good people that are much smarter than you and me. A lot smarter and way more qualified.
Science isn't made of words, thoughts and opinions. That would be philosophy.
I will not be engaging in discussion with you from now on - nothing personal
Entropy: I would like Vince/Noah to answer admins questions. Go on, let's hear the story of how you're smarter than Einstein.
Also, you've clearly misunderstood Einstien's explaination of time dialation. He defines both instances-- the difference between time dialation and the illusion that things are happening slowly from a distance away due to the time it takes for light to travel. A very elementary mistake of you to make. Hawking discusses it in greater detail in A Breif History of Time, but you dont believe in actually reading about theories, so it's a waist of my time to point your nose there.
One Bar: With regards to us appearing somewhere in space because the Earth will have moved, this assumes an absolute point of rest and we should really be thinking in terms of spacetime to try to overcome this problem. Space or time on their own are meaningless in this problem. Does the time machine have a mechanism for tracking its initial spacetime coordinates? Perhaps it does and it calculates its materialisation coordinates through considering its initial momentum?
Haven't read past the first few posts, sorry.
One Bar: Here's how a (hypothetical) time-machine car might work:
Suppose we sit in the time-machine 'car', seal the door and set space-time coordinates for someplace (time-like) in the future. The machine might somehow scan the configuration and state of every atom within the car boundary and store this information in a small probe. The probe would then travel to the desired materialisation coordinates and then rearrange an appropriate number of atoms to model the original atomic pattern/state at the initial coordinates. The probe might then open up to reveal a neatly packaged meal and glass of wine (and a written message warning that the original you is still lurking around somewhere and is probably angry that you ate his meal.)
Cool, eh? I started building it last night but ran out of cardboard and string.
CoIin: "I started building it last night but ran out of cardboard and string"
Hey!! You got that from McGyver. The bad guys decided to lock him up in a storeroom for an hour before coming back to finish him off. He barely had time to complete his time machine.
James Bond is another who often gets locked up for an hour before the bad guys return to kill him. When will these bad guys ever learn, eh?
One Bar: Never heard of McGyver. But I was watching an episode of the 60s Batman series recently; Batman and Boy Wonder were left sinking into a dastardly cake of quicksandy icing as the Riddler and his cronies walked away emitting smug chortles. The escape was sublime (I won't spoil it for you.)
Drain_Bammage: The past no longer exist (how do you go somewhere that doesnt exist) and the future has not been set yet (how do we even know there will be somewhere to go in an hour)....also and this may be slightly left field,what if the universe is not where it is now in an hours time? What if the universe revolves around something we dont know about..
alpossmar82: Past and present being linear it's possible the nature of the travel will create something similtaneous, unknowing to the naked eye concerning basics in human evolution and life after death. Maybe all paranormal activity UFOs (I belive to only human hullucination and hollagrams) are only holding or like increments(please someone correct my math terminology) to the linear nature of human progression.
The unknown increment is the basis to holding everything instant concerning human science and religon. One hour of time travel will put the subject in a casism of paranormal infrastructure it could be hell.
Ask Richard Branson with Virgin Airways he travels 10 mins ahead of time in his prototype spaceship, or inchies away from it.