Constitution of Median rasulullah shallallahu walai salam (Page 2)

ghostgeek: Zanjan, I'm intrigued. Where did you get the notion that Moses had palace training as a monuments designer?

Zanjan: You might want to read about His upbringing under the tutlage of Pharoah, who was well-pleased by the things Moses did in his honour.

ghostgeek: OK, so where do I do that?

Zanjan: Open the Book about Moses's life in the OT (Exodus).......read the part that comes before the volcanoes. After you do that, consult archeological history to learn the lifestyle of those in the court of Pharaoh. Nothing changes in the grooming of a royal contender so you can't go wrong.

The royal children got the very best of education. Moses, the same. Those in direct line to the throne had more military training. They were taught to read, write and speak several languages. They learned math, design, public works & infrastructure, astronomy, politics, origins of the gods, culture, diplomacy and military arts - all the tools for statesmanship. By adulthood, they'd focus on either diplomacy and state governance or military leadership.

With every crowning of a Pharaoh, comes a monument and the building of his tomb begins. More monuments follow to commemorate the high events of the Pharaoh's achievements. The son honoured his father by participating in these projects and in diplomatic affairs either jointly or while Pharaoh was away at war.

Moses would have had basic military training but didn't join Pharaoh in war - Pharaoh's other son did. Moses was a highly skilled builder and diplomat, which prepared him well to be accepted as leader of the Jews to a new land. We know all this now.

ghostgeek: I have my own theory about Moses; yes you're permitted to groan now. He was adopted by an Egyptian building site foreman. So yes, old Mo may have known a thing or two about running up brick shithouses.

Zanjan: I suppose you have a theory about Jesus too?

ghostgeek: Interesting that you should bring up Jesus. So much has been written about the bloke and yet he remains as elusive as ever. From him never having existed at all to him being the same individual as St Paul, theories abound. That's why I'm sticking to old Moses, because there's nothing ambiguous about him. He was a manipulative religious reformer with an outsized ego. The sort of chap who would fit in nowadays, unlike Jesus.

Zanjan: I see, it looks like you're going to safe ground where most proofs have been lost to antiquity. I take it you have nothing to say about Muhammad then?

ghostgeek: Muhammad is easy. Just a man who heard voices. An everyday occurrence really. If he was alive today a few pills would sort him out.

ghostgeek: Jesus though, what can really be said about him? A man with that name might have lived around the time of Tiberius. He might have got up the nose of officialdom and been executed. Well, that hardly makes him unique, now does it. Did he go around Galilee, preaching to people living in all the small towns and villages? If he did, he wouldn't have been the only one. Did he attempt to humanise the traditional Jewish message? Maybe, but anything we think we know about his teachings comes from the Gospels, and there's the rub. We just don't know how accurate the Gospels are. They might be mainly or wholly fiction, but they could just as well reflect a genuine tradition, handed down through the years. All in all then, Jesus remains an enigma; a person who can be anything to anyone.

Zanjan: I'm really surprised you aren't just as fascinated with Muhammad as you are with Moses. I mean, Muhammad talks about Moses so fondly, and if you compare how their lives went - so similar, their statesmanship, their character, their battles with traitors.......why, you'd think it was the same person! What if they were?

I bet they even looked exactly alike, especially in a beard. There was a verbal description of Muhammad - pale skin, hazel eyes, long slender fingers, long black hair. Seriously, would you be able to tell them apart?? Maybe the reason we have no drawings of their faces is because they'd look like identical twins, which would scare the bejezzus out of everyone.

Jesus, on the other hand, you get the feeling of firm gentleness. His mission was only 3 years so not much spread could be achieved in that span; while He never left His homeland, He moved very quickly, popping up here and there so fast with no time to rest, few were able to study Him. Yet what He did was very condensed so, its seems that mission was more of a single lesson to be learned.

It makes more sense to see that Christ was just setting them up for Muhammad. These two high Prophets of God came very close together in religious time and space. Events between Jesus and Muhammad were still reasonably fresh in the collective memory. That Muhammad highlighted some of those, gives us a better view than those who are thousands of years away.

ghostgeek: There's no mystery with Muhammad. With Moses, on the other hand, it's like trying to figure out a whodunnit. Quite a challenge. Also, if my pet theory is correct, Moses never encountered God on a mountain. If true, that would rather undermine Judaism. Yes, I know it's possible to presume God was manifesting Himself through the agency of a volcano, but it's quite possible, and far simpler, to conclude that there was no divinity present. That the Mount of God was a volcano and nothing more. This leaves us with an interesting question. Did Moses know there was no God present or did he convince himself that he was in the presence of the Almighty? In other words, was he manipulative or was he delusional?

Zanjan: How can it be that big of a mystery? Every high Prophet of God had a Holy Mountain of His own and none of those were volcanoes.

Besides, when Moses came down from the Mountain, His face glowed white, not embers red. Maybe red came later, nearly bursting a vein when He saw what his followers had done.

ghostgeek: The other so-called prophets of God are of no importance, only Moses matters. If Moses encountered God then the beliefs of half the world stand. On the other hand, if the theophany never happened, if Moses never received the Judaic law from God, if the Old Testament's claims are without foundation, half the population of the globe are wasting their time praying and worshipping to a deity that was forged in Moses' brain. So which is it, God or no God? The clues are in the text but have to be teased out. That's where the interest lies, in laying bare the hidden truth behind the public story of Exodus.

Zanjan: So, you're not looking for the Man, but for a certain Heap of Fiery Stone that speaks by making a sound like, 'bromph, broomph, kapow!", which can be translated into Hebrew laws, starting with "Dont touch that thing!". Obviously, that wouldn't be the Almighty Father's voice - it's Mother Earth speaking.

What will you do when you find it? Claim it for Beelzebub?

If you figure the clues are in the Text, then you must hold the complete Text of value. You can't read between the lines if you figure half the lines are gone or are the incoherant ramblings and hallucinations of power-mad war mongers.

ghostgeek: Exodus describes an active volcano. No matter how the Hebrews interpreted it, this volcano was not evidence for the existence of God. So throw away this book, the Bible, and see what remains of the case for God. My guess is that there will be very little left.

Zanjan: Have you thought about this: that Moses was thrown into a fiery furnace? I mean, it would fit with the repeating Jewish pattern of same with Abraham and the 3 Jewish guys. They all had to prove to a crowd that God protected them.

Seems Muhammad skipped this kind of drama and took more of a hands-on approach, throwing Himself into a firestorm of brandishing blades. The pagan tribes had many gods but eventually they realized none of them, even marshaled together, could strike Muhammad down because He had the real God's protection.

ghostgeek: I reckon old Mo got too close to his puffing volcano one time. That's why he came down with his face all shining and had to cover it up. He got burnt.

Zanjan: Well, He did come out alive because of God's protection. Nobody else went up there with Him, the little mice watched safely from a distance until they thought He was never coming back. Then boom!

Without Moses, they just fell apart and did their own thing. Short attention span, eh. You must ask yourself, who the heck would have wanted His job?

Muhammad had the same job. He knew these people well so, it's certain He didn't want the job either but God commanded Him; and, no one says no when God speaks to them.