Trinity never explained better!

Cenababy: The Trinity is a Man made concept turned into a doctrine/teaching. It is not essential for eternal life; faith in Jesus is all that matters. God is not going to say to a person, “You did not believe in the Trinity so you canot go to heaven”. This sounds harsh and very legalistic. However, we must also realize that God is a supernatural being, and it is difficult for the human mind to understand the works of supernatural concepts such as God and Jesus being One. Also, God slowly reveals more about Himself as culture and time passes by (known as progressive revelation). The same can be applied for the Trinity (ie, when Jesus came to earth, the time had come to reveal to Man that God was/is a triune-being). The Trinity will always be something that will be disputed. But faith in Jesus as Lord and Savior is all that matters; He died, He cleansed us of our sins, He commands us to love. This is all that matters in regards to receiving eternal life. This is the fundamental teaching of Salvation. There are Christians who go out of the way to try and stop people from believing Jesus is God. This is pointless and a waste of time. There are more important things Christians could be doing.

The Trinity doctrine teaches us that there is 1 God, and 3 persons. However, a better way of looking at it would be 1 God, 3 manifestations (ie; 1 God 3 persons gives the impression that God is suffering from multiple-personality disorder). God is able to manifest as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. God manifisted as the Father during the Old Testament period. God manifested as the Son during the New Testament period. And God manifiests as the Holy Spirit today; from the day of the Penetecost to the day Jesus returns.

God is made of 3 parts, just as Man is made in 3 parts (created in the image of God). God and Man have a mind, body and spirit. The Father is the mind/will; the One who makes the decisions. The Son is the body; the physical component that perform on behalf of the mind. The Holy Spirit....continued

Cenababy: The Holy Spirit is the fabric and essence of God’s existance.

An egg consists of 3 parts; the white, the yolk, and the shell. All are egg; you can separate them and they will still remain as parts of the egg. All 3 parts complete the egg; you cannot have a whole egg unless you have all 3 parts.

Water is made of 3 components; solid, liquid and gas. Hydrogen is gas, the ocean is liquid, ice is a solid. All 3 are the same substance (water), just different components (solid, liquid, gas).

There are three dimensions of space: length, width and height. All coincide in the same place, yet are distinct.

Creation is made of 3 parts; time, space and matter.

chronology: The Trinity consists of three distinct persons in Union with each other, they are not three different ways of seeing the same person. The Holy Spirit 'spoke' to the Apostles, God the Father spoke to Jesus approving of His Baptism. By your theory God would be talking to Himself, which seems pointless and unlikely. When Jesus attended the Last Supper He thanked God for revealing truths to the Apostles.

Cenababy: ok, here we go, Jesus was not in all his power while here, he appealed to the highers in Heaven. and I didn't say three distinct person ...I said 3 manifestations, and yes God is triune, he walked with us in flesh to show us what is right! Jesus said he would leave us with the Holy Spirit, but he had to leave in order to do that...make sense? It is perfectly laid out, why make simple so complicated!

HydroMan: by your theory? doesn't the passage say;

The Trinity doctrine teaches us that there is 1 God, and 3 persons. However, a better way of looking at it would be 1 God, 3 manifestations (ie; 1 God 3 persons gives the impression that God is suffering from multiple-personality disorder). God is able to manifest as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. God manifisted as the Father during the Old Testament period. God manifested as the Son during the New Testament period. And God manifiests as the Holy Spirit today; from the day of the Penetecost to the day Jesus returns.

if anything, the passage is imlying that God is not 3 persons (is not talking to Himself) 1 God 3 manifestations (not 3 persons)

Cenababy: Right on HYDRO, you tell it (wink, i forgot that part)

chronology: Hmmmmm . So when Genesis records God saying 'Let US make man' God was including the Angels in the act of creating humans? so mankind was a 'God Angel' collaboration? not the work of God alone?

HydroMan: the phrase 'let us' was common among kings and rulers. A king would say 'we shall retire' (I shall retire). God is not talking to angels - if He was, then it would imply angels are our co-creators

Cenababy: Hydro, and is it not possible that "Let Us" is talking about himself in 3 parts, t? Remember, Jesus was from the beginning, ? I look at it this way, "Let Us, God/Jesus"

chronology: The Royal 'we' is Medieval, around 3000 years after Genesis was written. Give one single example of 'us' being used by Royalty at the time as Genesis was written. And are you even half serious in suggesting 'God' would imitate Kings in His use of words?

Emmet2Tim2_7: U said Gd is manifested in 3 ways but isnt all of creation manifestation of Gd? Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

So Gd is now like a trillion things(at least) and since trinity is 3 ,we must created a word for all the separate components of creation that we gave thus far seen.

In John 12 49 we see Jesus didnt speak his own words(implying that he had words contrary to what the Father was saying) and did what he saw the Father doing,so that when you saw Jesus ,u saw Gd(by the actions and words ).
Just as Gd can be seen in us.

Zanjan: "(implying that he had words contrary to what the Father was saying)"

Not at all - it's implying that He wasn't making this stuff up or copying it from elsewhere. He was in total agreement, indicating that when God speaks, what He says happens.

Splitting God into parts that one can understand is nothing more than sheer imagination. No one can have a concept of the One true God; He's unfathomable, too great for the finite human mind to grasp.

Cenababy: well zanjan, as usual, that's your opinion. If we take into consideration WHAT Jesus did, we can clearly see, no mere man could do all he did!

Cenababy: The Bible says that God will raise Jesus from the dead (Acts 2:24, Acts 4:10, Acts 13:30, Galatians 1:1, Colosians 2:12, 1 Thessalonians 1:10). But at the same time, Jesus said, “Destroy this Temple, and in three days I will raise it up” (John 2:19). Jesus was referring to Himself as the Temple (John 2:21). How can Jesus raise His own body from the dead while He is dead? He can’t, unless He is God!

Cenababy: Isaiah 9:6 refers to the prophecy of the Messiah. It uses terms such as “wonderful councellor, prince of peace, everlasting Father, mighty God. God is the Father (Ephesians 4:6). Jesus is the Prince of Peace (John 14:27). The Holy Spirit is a councellor (John 14:26). And all three are mighty God!

Cenababy: Why do people not believe or find it so hard to believe in the "God Head" / "The Trinity" ?????

If we all believe in God, The Holy Spirit and in Jesus, why not the God Head as in The Trinity?

Do we believe in God?
Do we not believe in the Holy Spirit of God?

so if we look at the above, GOD and HOLY SPIRIT, is that not Two with God????
and so, If we look at JEsus, The Lamb...is that not THREE?

If we put God/The Holy Spirit/Jesus together, that is The God Head/Trinity....

So, how can people not think in terms of "THE GOD HEAD" being the Trinity?
A friend of mine said this:
"it is satan who does not want mankind to absorb themselves into the Godhead,because it would cause us to see that JESUS is for real, being God's only Son, and that the Holy Spirit is our Comfortor and present Guide"

Which really got me to thinking. Let's look at what Revelations says: JESUS/THE LAMB is the ONLY one who can open the Book of Life, open the Seals, it is ONLY HIM who can bring us up to Heaven....why?

If the Lamb/Jesus/is not Emmanuel - One with God, why does he have so much Power? Think about this....Why doesn't "God" do all this?

Think about this again....ask yourself this, WHY is it JESUS, THE LAMB, EMMANUEL, the ONLY ONE able according to Revelations, TO OPEN THE BOOK OF LIFE, HE IS THE ONE WHO DIED ON THE CROSS FOR SALVATION, HE IS THE ONE THAT TAKES US HOME, He is the bread and the word made flesh.......WHY?

So, If we believe in 1) God 2) The Holy Spirit, then why not ......3) Jesus as in "one with God".????

Is it TO KEEP US DIVIDED ?????

HydroMan: For those who do not believe in the Trinity, do you distinguish the Father and The Holy Spirit as the same? just curious

Zanjan: The Holy Spirit issues from God in the same way your nature issues from you.

The Holy Spirit simply means divine power of purity - incorruptible.

Cenababy: I don't agree.

Emmet2Tim2_7: the Father isnt the Holy Spirit....and Rev 5 6 indicates that there are 7 spirits sent out from G-d...'Holy Spirit is one ,we can agree but what of the other 6? the concept of trinity is therefore nullified.

Zanjan: There are lots of ways of using the word "spirit" so it has to be taken in context. A compassionate spirit, a magnanimous spirit, for example - the Holy Spirit is the divine expression of unconditional love -> the most powerful force in existence.

Additionally, the words "spirit' and 'soul' were often used interchangeably to describe the life force. As above, the 7 spirits could certainly apply to the spirit of a religion (the theme - ie, brotherly love, submission to God) or Messenger of God. Generally, these are taken together as a creative force in the world. We can name 7 religions of God in the old world order.

Note that 'time' is not a feature in the world of God; it's only used to convey sequence in the physical world, something humans can relate to.

HydroMan: Revelation 5:6 says, “And I saw between the throne (with the four living creatures) and the elders a Lamb standing, as if slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God, sent out into all the earth” This passage is not implying that God is made of seven spirits. Instead, the passage is simply using metaphorical language to describe God as all seeing (seven eyes), all powerful (seven horns), and all over the place (seven spirits sent out into all the earth)

Blackshoes: IMO It cannot be understood by the human mind .
I believe ;In one God in three person ',God the Father ,Jesus the Son of God n 'the Holy Spirit .. The Writers of God Word '.Chose not to discuss this ', in any length ?
I assume: It was just as difficult for them to understand .

Zanjan: Blackshoes, a lot of people were told that by the church - same church that wanted to snuff the lives of those who discovered scientific realities that church leaders never understood.

Back to Revelations - a *spiritual* vision of the future. Revelation 5:6

How many levels in the original Menorah? Yes, 3, as commanded by God, through Moses, with 7 cups on its horns for lighted oil. It was very important for the Jews to remember to see something in this lamp of God, which is so rich in symbolism. (Taoism also uses a menorah style lamp for 7 stars)

Jews added an extra level (celebration of Chanukah) before Christ appeared to make it 4 levels (8 branches/horns). Can you name 8 religions of God? Then ponder on the placement of the 9th light on the Menorah. This extra light sheds light on all the others.

If I wanted eyes and horns to symbolize the "all seeing", I'd shape them into a sphere to indicate all directions. It would be a sea urchin.

A murdered lamb that was still standing, on the other hand, is more ominous. We're looking at a creature that has passed away yet present in name.

Other religions have something in common with #7 - the same anticipated number of religions in the old world order.

Blackshoes: Zanjan: The Church ,Pastors , Priest n' Rabbis of the Past or present are not always correct .
That doesn't mean they don't know what they're talking about .

Each subject can be as different as night n' Day .. The trinity Just wasn't address by the Apostles .
Other than stating that Jesus is God . The word Trinity doesn't even appear within God Word .
They Chose not to Mention this subject in length for a reason ?
I don't understand nor know all things .I've read and understood everything in here and elsewhere written about this subject ..Yet ;no one can explain it ', with anything other than they're opinion .I believe it's just a fact that God is one God in three persons .
Whether ; anyone else agrees or not ?
If someone can understand what Gravity Is ? More the better .I only understand that I haven't floated away .n' It at present unknown why it is works or what it is ..Other than a force that attracts matter together due to it's displacement of space ?
If some can understand how one can be three .God bless them .It's beyond me .
If that means I'm ignorant .? Then so be it ..
After all ', it's not about send me to Hell ..

I have always enjoyed your post .Even through we have sometimes disagreed

Cenababy: People will always choose to not understand, that is their right. As the blog suggests whether you believe Jesus to be God or not does not adjust your salvation.