Pope Francis. A fascist collaborator who helped the Argentinian Junta murder people?

Outbackjack: The new Pope, Francis the Humble, as he perhaps would like to be known, is an Argentine with a cloudy past. This in itself is not an offense but, rather, is in keeping with a religious institution that has long been marked by secrecy. From the smoke signals with which the papal conclave makes the fact, if not the process, of its decision known to the world to the wide-ranging coverups of sexual abuse involving priests and bishops, the Catholic Church is too often associated in the popular imagination with the darkest kind of institutional opacity.

Some of the cloudiness in Francis’s past has to do with his relative obscurity during the years when he was still known as Jorge Mario Bergoglio, and with the way that the Church operates in even the calmest times. But much of it also has to do with questions about his real role during the country’s anti-Communist terror three decades ago. Officially called the Process of National Reorganization by the military junta that ruled Argentina from 1976 to 1983, the Dirty War, as it is more commonly known, was a comprehensive campaign aimed at the elimination of Communists and others seen as “subversives.” The purge claimed the lives of at least nine thousand people and as many as thirty thousand people, many of them killed in the most gruesome circumstances imaginable. Pregnant women were often held until they gave birth, whereupon they were secretly killed, their babies handed over to childless military families and others close to the regime for adoption. Hundreds of “children of the disappeared” are living today, young people in their early thirties, some of them still unaware that their parents are, in effect, their biological parents’ killers. (Francisco Goldman has written about these children for The New Yorker.)

Outbackjack: Many of the victims were held for months in official institutions, where they were repeatedly tortured before being killed, their bodies “disappeared.” Justifying the purge, which was spoken about euphemistically but carried out in secrecy, the Argentine military espoused a brand of anti-Communist ferocity that echoed Franco’s Fascist witch hunt, which had previously devastated Republican Spain—a brand of ferocity that also shared his deeply entrenched ultra-Catholic and anti-Semitic views.

As in Spain during its Civil War, when the Catholic Church openly sided with Franco’s inquisition, and in Rome during the Second World War, when the silence of Pope Pius XII was understood as a tacit admission of Vatican acquiescence with the policies of the Axis, the role of the Argentine Catholic Church in the junta’s anti-Communist campaign was queasily intimate. In official discourses, one of Bergoglio’s predecessors, Archbishop Juan Carlos Aramburu, openly sided with the military’s stated need for a purge, in which freethinking priests and nuns were also killed. For the most part, the Church remained mute in public about what was going on. But some priests were actually directly involved in the repression, by all accounts, with military chaplains going so far as to bless the drugged bodies of suspected guerrillas marked for execution as they were loaded onto military planes, from which they were then hurled to their deaths, unconscious, over the Rio de la Plata.

There have been past accusations, including testimony from a handful of priests and bishops, that the man who is now Pope Francis was complicit, too, if in a more subtle way. He was, in the early years of the Dirty War, the provincial, or superior, of the Society of Jesus in Argentina, at a time when the Jesuits produced some of the more freethinking and socially liberal clerics in Latin America—a number of whom were targeted by military leaders during the era’s repression—and later led a seminary. The key allegation against him is that he pointed out left-leaning priests to the military as dissidents, leaving them exposed, and that he did not defend two kidnapped clerics or ask for their release. He has denied this, and says instead that he protected priests and others—just quietly, in secret.

”Beyond the details, the main thing is that it’s clear that he was not—by a long shot—at the level needed in the dramatic circumstances,” Gabriel Pasquini, an Argentine writer and editor of the online current-affairs magazine El Puercoespín, told me. There were other clergymen—“Catholic and from other religions”—who “did whatever they could to save lives,” Pasquini added. “For someone who aspires to be a bastion of moral values, it doesn’t seem like a great precedent. Never, in the years he headed the Catholic Church in Argentina, did he acknowledge its complicity in the dictatorship, much less ask for forgiveness. Will he do so now, from the Vatican?”

Whatever the truth, Francis the Humble, it would seem, has much to clear up about what he thought, how he behaved, and what he did during his country’s Dirty War. As with the role of the Church he has long served, it remains a mystery.

The New Yorker
March 14, 2013
Pope Francis and the Dirty War

Geoff: Are you seriously asking a senior Catholic cleric to admit something that might embarrass the church twice in the same decade? He'd be quietly lynched. Give him four or five years after the admission that there are priests whose interest in the younger members of their congregation was unhealthy and he might be ready to admit to something else to give the cardinals a collective heart attack.

lori100: It is true about the Pope's background jack, there was some uproar in the media when he was elected. This pope is a Jesuit. The Jesuits have a very corrupt history and have been banned from several countries in the past. They have a history of violence and aligning themselves with politicians and power---as the Vatican does. --------Cobra-------The Jesuits were expelled from at least 83 countries and cities for subversion, espionage, treason, and other such things.------Directly under Ciancimino is Fr. Joseph M. McShane, S.J., who is the President of Fordham University -- the Jesuit college of New York, and the Jesuits' military stronghold there.----------The head of the Jesuit Order is Adolfo Nicholas. His title is Superior General of the Jesuits. The use of the rank "general" is because the Jesuits are, in reality, a military organization.

Nicholas, as the Jesuit General, is the most powerful man in the world. He ultimately issues the commands that are administered by drones like Obama. -------------Main purpose of CIA is to install Jesuit-friendly political regimes throughout the planet .------------The main programming center of the Jesuits is Georgetown university in Washington:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgetown_University--------------------Georgetown University is a private research university in Washington, D.C. Founded in 1789, it is the oldest Jesuit and Catholic university in the United States.The university's most notable alumni are prominent in public life in the United States and abroad. Among them are former U.S. President Bill Clinton, U.S. Supreme Court Associate Justice Antonin Scalia, dozens of U.S. governors and members of Congress, heads of state or government of more than a dozen countries, royalty and diplomats.
-------------------------It might be interesting to note that many CIA directors went through Jesuit programming there. George Tenet, who was a CIA director at the time of the 911 false flag, was a Georgetown university graduate. David Petraues, who was a CIA director a few years ago, completed a military fellowship at Georgetown university. Previous CIA director Michael Morell is a Georgetown post-graduate. Current CIA director John O. Brennan received a B.A. from Fordham university, another major Jesuit programming center.

Also secretaries of defense like to visit Georgetown a lot. Donald Rumsfeld, who was a secretary of defense during the 911 false flag, attended Georgetown (he was not good at school though). Robert Gates, who was a secretary of defense between 2006 and 2011, achieved his Ph. D. at Georgetown. Chuck Hagel, the current secretary of defense, was a professor at Georgetown. ---------------.----------Leon Panetta, who was both a secretary of defense and CIA director and was programmed at the Santa Clara Jesuit university.

Janet Napolitano, who was a head of DHS until recently, graduated from the same Jesuit university.----------------------Joseph A. O’Hare, S.J. is the President Emeritus of Fordham University and the man directly under Egan. He is a Knight of Malta and has presided over CFR meetings as Egan's operative. He is an adviser to David Rockefeller (Knight of Malta), Henry Kissinger (Knight of Malta), and Mayor Michael Bloomberg of New York. He is, thus, the Jesuit who directly controls the city mayor. He is also the Jesuit who controls the Rockefeller-Kissinger apparatus, of which the CFR is a key part.-------------Murdoch is the protector of Obama, controlling his opposition. Murdoch was knighted by the Pope in 1998 for making large contributions to the Roman Catholic Church. He has said that his corporation - News Corp - is "just like the Jesuits" while speaking at Georgetown University. Murdoch is a member of the CFR.

Joseph R. Biden is the Vice President, and is directly under the Vatican's big-wheel operatives (Soros and Murdoch). He is Roman Catholic and has been honored at two Jesuit universities. His son is a Jesuit volunteer and a lobbyist for a Jesuit university he attended.

chronology: Jack. I am not in any way defending the catholic church. But if you start pointing fingers at questionable incidents in the past of churches, you will spend a lot of time pointing at a lot of churches, about a lot of incidents. I have no idea why you are singling out the catholic church.

I know up until recently, catholics in Australia were discriminated against by many employers who refused to employ them. This does not happen today I know, but perhaps you still have the old Australian Masonic dislike of catholics.

I remember years ago talking to an Aussie Guy about a prominent businessman in Australia, he was a leading Freemason in Oz. He instructed all his managers to never employ a catholic, he could not stand the religion.

electrician25hr: Pope Francis? What happend to da Nazi pope???

Outbackjack: Chrono the Catholic Church is the most powerful religious instituion in the world.It is appropriate that I point the finger.

The masons in Australia accept Catholics and have done for a while.

chronology: I understand Jack. Times have changed in Oz. Personally I have never seen the catholics as any different from any other church.