Lord of the Sabbath (Page 5) Cenababy: AMEN BAIN, YOU TELL IT, LOVE HOW YOU STUDY AND WRITE...GOOD FOR YOU....So many things I could say, Exactly, the LAW IS JESUS, not the OT, the OT as I have said before was PRE-JESUS, Jesus changed things and made things obsolete with his sacrifice. here is the blog a friend of mine sent me again below, says some of what you have said, amen! I don't know why so many people get confused with the NT and what Jesus expects of us....LOVE, for if you love how can you break the commandments? How can you murder if you love, for if you love you will not hurt another human being. PRETTY SIMPLE...it is not the laws, rituals and sacrifices that keep us WITH JESUS, we CAN DO NOTHING to earn Grace, grace is a gift by JESUS.....! And yes, JESUS IS THE WORD, THE WORD HAS ALWAYS BEEN HERE, THE WORD IS JESUS/GOD, Jesus is the light of all men and nothing was made without him! AMEN Cenababy: I find it that Christians who argue about who Jesus is, must really not know! It is CLEAR in the bible who Jesus truly is....just one book to show you is JOHN, people love to mis-discern John....John tells us, that Jesus is the light of all men, who is the light/word? JESUS in the flesh...he had to be in the flesh to walk with us, and fulfill the prophecy...he had to come to give us a second chance for salvation!amen  chay chayi: Zanjan, or you are too lazy to read what i said, and your only about claiming and showing your "wisdom" that its really one big mistake, not wisdom, its lacking basics of true wisdom of God, or your memory is terrible I already said many things before, that its no place of your claims what you said now The laws the Jews were commanded what before them was not commanded included Abraham Isaac and Jacob, is not about "changing" laws, what was not forbidden before was not a "command" to do, it was not forbidden, than after Israel was purified, than they were able to accept and enter God's holy way, so what Israel was commanded was not about "changing" it was about giving them commands that were not given before And that the law of giving a tenth is only in the Temple, now that the Temple is not existing, is not a "change" its not relevant Don't twist and mess up such simple things with your twisted tongue And i said before that polygamy is not forbidden even today, you did not read what i say, you are only thinking that you have to say your finally wisdom, it shows that you are not on the truth (Edited by chay chayi) chay chayi: The Torah did not forbid it, no such command in the 613 commands, all the generations after the Torah was given, all had many wives (Edited by chay chayi) chay chayi: Bainu, that all what you quoted only points out that the commands are because of love and spirit to God, not that you should plain do physical acts and its not about the love of God, but its not about lifting laws  Laura _: Romans 3:31 Do we make void the law through faith? Certainly not ! On the contrary, we establish the law. Cenababy: Romans 2:12 says, “All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law”. ********This is not referring to Gentiles – it is referring to disobedient Jews. Those who have the Laws of Moses (the Jews) and sin apart from the Laws of Moses (disobedient Jews/refuse to obey God’s Laws) will perish. But those who have the Laws of Moses (the Jews) and obey the Laws of Moses (obedient Jews) will be judged by the Laws of Moses. We know this verse is referring to the Jews and not the Gentiles because of the next verse; “For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous”. The Jews had the Laws (heard the Law), but many refused to obey the Law. It is the obedient Jews who will be declared righteous. Paul is speaking to the Jews. Many Jews thought they were better than the Gentiles because they were God’s people. But Paul is making a clear statement; it does not matter if you are a Jew – if you did not obey the Law, you will perish. Paul goes on by comparing sinful Jews to the Gentiles (people who never had the Law); “Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness”. Paul is stating that there are Gentiles who do a better job at “obeying God’s Laws” even though they have never heard of them – their heart and conscience enables them to determine what is right and wrong. So even though they have never heard of God or His Laws, their morality is better than the Jews who had God’s Laws. Paul is trying to make the Jews understand that the idea of being God’s chosen people no longer matters – just because they were chosen, doesn’t mean they are better than the Gentiles. All have sinned. (Edited by Cenababy)  bainyu: Do you know if you have the spirit of God within you and you follow the Bible that you will keep Gods commands? Do you really believe that if you dont follow mosaic law that .. what will happen? Everything Jesus said is truth. The Bible says true worshippers worship in SPIRIT and TRUTH. Truth meaning the word of God and the Spirit meaning the Holy Spirit who dwells in us. Our nature when being born again is to do what the word of God says the holiest people that I know are the people who do just as Jesus did. Who love unconditionally and follow the word of God. They are NOT legalistic in any way. They rest everything on Christ. They follow the word of God and the Spirit within them. chay chayi: Spirits with out God's commands and laws, are spirits of Satan and demons, they too have spirits, but are unholy, because they disobey God's commands, so all who disobey God's commands have the unholy spirits of Satan, like demons  Emmet2Tim2_7: This argument is so convoluted and I think wont end. The truth has been spoken by chayi, Laura and myself(not saying there wasn't elements of truth within others).
The law hasn't changed per se, we are in diaspora and the temple has yet to be re-built.. when the messiah appears ,the law will return in force,and if u cant do the easiest of these laws(keep Sabbath) ,how will u keep the harder ones? Zecariah14:16-21 < this is prophecy of what is to come... Read also Ezekiel 46 < this speaks of the messiah performing sacrifice! And many of u think the messiah was/is all the sacrfices and wont do any  the bible disagrees with you. bainyu: What??? Do you know what you are saying? Do you know what a demon is.. do you understand what you are saying? bainyu: Emmet you still have not explained to me what you are.. and what a 21 century christian or whatever it is you said you were is. I think your understanding is a little... Emmet2Tim2_7: I never said '21 century' I said im more akin to a 1st century Christian....the jews who FIRST believed. Emmet2Tim2_7: And my understanding is different...I read what the bible says and believe it many times on face value,if I don't understand it ,I dig deeper.Maybe compare translations ,etc. Laura _: Cenababy before God rescued the Hebrew Children from Egypt, God's law and Sabbath were in effect before they were written down. In Exodus 12:49 says the law is for the stranger who dwells among you. In Exodus 16: 28 And the Lord ask Moses" How long do you refuse to keep my commandments and my laws? Exodus 16:22-23 God gave the Hebrew children extra Manna on the six day to cover for the Sabbath the day of rest. This was before the law was written down. Genesis 26:5 Because Abraham obeyed my voice and kept my charge, My commandments, My statues ,and my laws. Jesus and the apostles obeyed God's law and honored the Sabbath. No where in the Bible does it say the Sabbath was changed. If Jesus wanted to make this big change don't you think it would have been discussed? The Catholic Church takes full responsibility in changing the Sabbath.The act is the mark of her ecclesiastical power and authority in religious matters.( Faith of our Fathers.p. 14 C.F. Thomas , Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons). This is widely taught in catechism and other church documents. Christians have no problem following the nine commandments,they just have a problem with #4 Remember the Sabbath and keep it Holy. They are choosing to follow the their mother Church the Catholic Church with all of her Babylonian religion mixed in. They love the pagan day Easter and refuse to honor The Lord God's Sabbaths and Feast. chay chayi: Sabbath was given to Israel right after they were out of Egypt, before it was said with together with the 10 commandments, it was given when God gave them Mann from Heaven, then on Friday they were told to rest and go to go gathering the Mann chay chayi: Israel has the right calendar based on God's words, that the Months should be according to the Moon, the Moon orbits on a monthly basis about 29 and a half days around Earth, 12 times in 365 days, and the seasons and Year according to the Sun, the Sun orbits Earth by about 365 days around Earth, but the orbit of the Moon is not just with the yearly 365 days orbit of the Sun, that's why every second or 3rd year according to the 365 yearly orbit of the Sun and its seasons, are added an 13th month, so a year by God's words with 12 months in it are combined by the orbit of the Sun and the Moon The non Israel calendar, its 12 moths have nothing according the Sun or the monthly orbit of the Moon, its plain divided in 12 according to the yearly orbit of the Sun, So the Hebrew calendar is the correct calendar (Edited by chay chayi) | Religion Chat Room 24 People Chatting Similar Conversations |
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