Proof That God Exists (Page 5)

GeraldtheGnome: Kama Sutra, yes well, I spelt it wrong, it doesn't make a difference to what I told you though, it is good that you decided to poke fun at Nitwits for laughs and so on, it means that you have been poking fun at yourself and of that of likeminded People like you. The word evolved in any sense is misused in the broader, yet false, definitions of the word. So don't be in denial of that. Technically this isn't a thread and also you incorrectly put that I assumed that you had a so-called 'Journey' and 'Deep connection' to here. I asked you did you, not that you actually did those things at all. I was just besides all that pointing out the misuse of the words. So you can stop being very rude CORVIN !

No one really knows what started off what is now all of the Cosmos, which includes Earth and all of us on it. The Big Bang was that of the explosion, not that of which was physically around, but that of the explosion to 'The Ball' as I put it. Though not all of you on here are being Trolls, there are two that are using the ways of Trolls, I am not one of them. Not all Atheists are mentally ill. The last two messages of Chazzas are showing things that he can't be certain of, including that of God and of all of the other People that he mentioned. It is still uncertain that Moses ever existed.

ghostgeek: Those Israelites were dumb back in the time of Moses. Some dude comes along and tells them a talking bush has proclaimed him their leader and what do they do? Only go traipsing off into the desert for forty years.

GeraldtheGnome: There's no certainty that Moses existed or that even the story true, since there is no Evidence to back up the Moses story.

ghostgeek: The Book of Exodus reads like the journal of someone who went on a jaunt into the desert, led by a psychopath. Somebody saw quail landing and saw water being released from a stone, for example, things that have been shown to be true. Call him Moses, or call him something else, somebody led the Israelites into the wilderness and conned them into thinking they had seen God.

GeraldtheGnome: Possibly, but more likely it is a made up story with made up People in it. A Quail, not just saw Quail, but yes, like the Monty Python skit in the Movie the Life of Brian, where it was about Shoes and so on, they all saw various things as a Sign by Brian.

GeraldtheGnome: God and Moses, there just is no evidence to show that they did indeed exist.

trust1g4e:

I Will Trust, Fred Hammond

Thank God the evident witness lives within forever!

Corwin: Gerald... I do agree with you regarding the lack of evidence to prove the existence of God or Moses... but regarding matters of Physics you are simply incorrect. (I grow tired of offering you English lessons, so I shan't bother anymore.)

You seem to think of the Big Bang as being an explosion that happened within existing space.
This is incorrect... there was no "space" before the Big Bang. It didn't just blow matter and energy into some vast empty space, there was no empty space... empty space itself was what also came to be at the time of the Big Bang.
The Big Bang was the beginning of the Universe itself... the beginning of "Space/Time". Space/Time is the "fabric" that all matter and energy we observe exists within.

I understand that it is counter-intuitive and difficult to imagine "no space"... an absence of even "emptiness"... seeing that we evolved within the fabric of Space/Time, our minds have trouble comprehending true "nothingness"... no "space"... no "time"... nothing there to be "empty"... but among physicists, that is the present understanding of it.

trust1g4e: The Holy Spirit is the evidence that dwells within the individuals heart! when received by faith in Jesus Christ!

Corwin: Here's a way to think of it Gerald... let's compare the Universe to a painted picture.
The fabric of Space/Time is the canvas... and all matter and energy is the paint...

You are picturing a blank framed canvas, and the Big Bang is an explosion of paint that began in the middle of the canvas and spread outward to create the painting.

But instead, picture the canvas... paint and all... without the frame... rolled up into a little ball, and the finished painting is simply unfolding itself.

trust1g4e: A picture of a figment of the imagination hypothesis

ghostgeek: That picture of the Big Bang is all fine and dandy but where did it all take place, seeing that there was nothing for it to take place in?

Corwin: The Big Bang became the place... so in a manner of speaking, it took place everywhere.

ghostgeek: Here's my problem, I can't conceive of something happening in "nothing." Quite truthfully, I can't conceive of "nothing" period. No time, no space, no void, no laws of nature, no mechanism for something to come into being, just plain nothing. In all the scientific theories there seems to be something missing, the thing that words cannot describe but which makes everything possible.

GeraldtheGnome: You're a hypocrite Corvin the Troll, you make far more grammatical errors and other errors than I do. So don't be arrogant and don't be a ignoramus. Do you want me to point out all of your errors ? I very easily can. The Big Bang literally is the explosion that happen, the Big Bang triggered off all that came after it, so you are incorrect. The 'Ball' as I like to put it heated up, expanded and then exploded, I guess in a way, though it is most likely the most inaccurate description. Look at the description of the Big Bang Theory and you will see what I mean. Please don't look at how the TV show is made though, I don't mean that Big Bang. Also Corvin there's on other thing, in your last two messages you made a heap of English errors, so please do not 'throw stones' while you stand inside your 'Glasshouse' from now on.

I do realize that I use capitals too much though. You can't explain what was around the Ball of Matter, just as 100 % of the Humans now are unable to and those in the past were unable to. There was no empty space ? That is something that no one can certain about, the same thing about if there was anyone or anything before what anyone thinks was around. It is a question that can not be answered correctly by anyone, no matter how hard we try to. There is no evidence of the existence of the Holy Spirit or Jesus or God. Your message just shows that you assume that everything you told us with it is correct, well it is not. When the Big Bang went off everything started to develop, yet the Man who believes that God and Jesus do exist though he doesn't have the evidence to show that they do thinks that the Big Bang Theory is just a figment of our imagination. Interesting.

Ghost brought up some very good questions. Once again though, they are questions that can't be answered correctly. The Big Bang was the process that scattered the 'Ball of Matter' which contained all forms of Matter out beyond it's original position, so it didn't take place everywhere. The Cosmos which is often named the Universe or the Galaxy or Space is expanding and that it has continued to do so since the Big Bang. Since that is the case, as the Scientists say to us, then there always was and still are areas beyond what we think there is. An 'empty area' in a way. If that is the case now then it always has been the case. Unless of course contained within a Cube or Box-like thing or Sphere or what not are Planets including the Earth, also Stars and everything else. Even the questions that all of this raises can not be correctly answered.

GeraldtheGnome: A Ball of Matter, that within it contained other matter. A bit like the way Bacteria land so on lives within us. If you know what I mean, though in this case I don't mean life forms but Amino Acids and so on. The conditions for life were not right within it, that I understand.

chay chayi: Corvin is simply and totally right and correct, place, and time came with the big bang

chay chayi: Garald is only on here on grammer English errors, not on the topic

GeraldtheGnome: You are incorrect on all accounts in reference to your last two messages. '"Me grammer is out the back !"

ghostgeek: Without "place and time" how could anything happen?

GeraldtheGnome: Exactly.

Corwin: Please point out my grammatical errors. I fail to see any.


And I didn't make up the theories, Gerald... I'm just explaining them to you.
How does that make me a "troll"?

ghostgeek: I've just had a very strange thought. Will Chayiii be celebrating Christmas this year?

chay chayi: Its Hanukah, not Christmas

chay chayi: Space and time were created with the matter that came from the big bang, time and place is only when there is matter