Proof That God Exists (Page 3) chay chayi: If earth was formed and made by emerging from other planets and species, the earth would had to be all messed up, million big and medium and tiny oceans, earth and oceans all mixed up, every few miles a different ocean, no place to live, no forests, earth is a third of the oceans, because earth and life is based on water, the atmosphere, air, and supply of water, that's why the oceans are three times more than earth (Edited by chay chayi) chay chayi: You have 9 planets orbiting the sun, none of them contains the ability of life, not enough proof that God created the system ?? if any little slight change in the system, how they orbit, their distance, would be catastrophic, and no ability of life on earth, not proof of a creator that created everything and made its mathematics accurate ?? (Edited by chay chayi)  Fernanda Oliveira: "For those who do not believe in God, no explanation is sufficient. For those who believe, no explanation is necessary "  GeraldtheGnome: Chazza's stuff made no sense once again, nothing unusual there though. Next ! There is no certainty that God does or does not exist, only that he possibly does or does not exist. No one knows, myself included. (Edited by GeraldtheGnome)  ghostgeek: It is estimated that there are at least 70 thousand million million million stars in the universe which surely means, that by chance alone, at least one of them would be a suitable place for life to begin. That one could be the Sun, around which we orbit. We could just be the outcome of a random act of nature, with no God required. GeraldtheGnome: With the proper/long scale version 70 Thousand Trillion = 70 Thousand Million Million Million that I rather erroneously used to assume was the British Version, now with what I sometimes refer to as the US system, though it is also used in Britain the same amount = 70 Sextillion. Now seriously, how do they know there's exactly that many Stars in all of the Cosmos ?  Corwin: 70 Thousand Trillion = 70 Quadrillion. 70 Sextillion is a million times larger than 70 Quadrillion. ----------- Of course nobody could know precisely how many stars there are in the universe, but if you take the average number of stars in an average galaxy and multiply it by how many galaxies can be observed from Earth, you can come up with a conservative estimate of how many stars there are altogether. You may as well say that there are a Gajillion Shmazillion of them... we come up with a really really really big number that is for all intents and purposes beyond our ability to conceptualize. I've heard one description - if you could count all of the grains of sand in all the Earth's beaches and deserts, you would still fall far short of how many stars there are in the universe. GeraldtheGnome: When I was doing that it was after Midnight and my Eyes kept shutting, there was a $#!7 load of zeros before me and two different, yet I don't know why, number systems for it. I didn't proof read it at the time, mainly due to rushing it, but the short scale version is that 70 Thousand Million Million Million is 70 Sextillion and the long scale version equivalent of that is 70 Thousand Trillion in the Former British Version of it and 70 Trilliard in the standard long version. With sleep deprivation last night and that odd information, no wonder I was confused and made the mistakes that I did. I also found out that 70 Quadrillion is larger than 70 Sextillion. Anyway regardless of that, I want to know how anyone can even roughly work out how many Stars there are ? But regardless of that the words Galaxy and Universe are interchangeable. Because of that it's hard to depict what the words Universe and Galaxy really mean, so I use the words Cosmos and Space to avoid the confusion, though I know what you mean. The biggest numbers I saw were 1 Millinillion, also known as 1,000 Quingentillion and also as 1 Quingetilliard, I never once saw a Gajillion Shmazillion even though it may possibly exist. I stand corrected, the largest number now known to me is a Googolplex which means the same thing on all numbering systems, oddly enough. Still there is no certain evidence that even one Star was made by God, but the biggest question is that if God existed before all else, which I doubt, then again if God did exist before all we know then there is the question of who or what was before him, regardless of any of that anyway there is the case that it is uncertain that God did create the 'Ball' that then brought about the 'Big Bang' that we have heard about. I like the Big Bang Theory Song by the way. ghostgeek: The more stars there are, the more chance there is that life will come into being somewhere, even if it's by random chance and not intelligent design. GeraldtheGnome: The possibility of life other than on Earth and orbiting around it, yes, but not that of the certainty of it. The only most likely yet uncertain Religious tie in is the possibility that God if he did exist before all we know, created 'The Ball' , not that he created all that became what we know after that. The rest I see just formed while life evolved without God making that so individually or in a cluster of most of or 1/2 of or some of or all of what came after the Big Bang happened. ghostgeek: Chayiii, there is nothing else for it, you have to go into space. You have to visit every star in the universe. Only then will you be in a position to say that life couldn't have come about by chance. So lad, strap your jet pack on and off you go. Corwin: Okay... this is off-topic, but Gerald... what the heck are you talking about?? You said, "... I want to know how anyone can even roughly work out how many Stars there are ? But regardless of that the words Galaxy and Universe are interchangeable. " Those words are NOT interchangeable. The word "galaxy" refers to groupings of stars such as our own Milky Way Galaxy, which is a giant rotating spiral shape bound by gravity, and contains roughly 200 billion stars. Here's a photo of the nearest other galaxy to ours, the Andromeda Galaxy, which is about a million light-years from our own: http://www.starpointing.com/ccd/m31large.html The Andromeda Galaxy is an example of what our own Milky Way Galaxy looks like, as we are within our own galaxy we cannot view it from the outside. The Andromeda Galaxy and our own Milky Way Galaxy are on the outskirts of a larger grouping of galaxies known as the Virgo Supercluster which contains thousands of galaxies. The Virgo Superclutster of galaxies is one of the millions of galaxy clusters we can see in the observable Universe. The word "Universe" refers to EVERYTHING we can observe, not just our own galaxy. The Universe is estimated to contain somewhere between 100 billion and 200 billion galaxies in all. So when we conservatively estimate the average amount of stars per galaxy at roughly 100 billion, then multiply that with the conservative estimate of 100 billion galaxies in total, we come up with this number: 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 or 10 sextillion stars... or 10 with 21 zeros after it. (and that's a conservative estimate) ----------- Oh, and to set you straight on the numbering system which is generally used among mathematicians: 1,000,000 = 1 Million 1,000,000,000 = 1 Billion 1,000,000,000,000 = 1 Trillion 1,000,000,000,000,000 = 1 Quadrillion 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 = 1 Quintillion 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 = 1 Sextillion ... keep multiplying by 1000, and you get Septillion, Octillion, Nontillion, and Dectillion. (notice the use of the Latin numerical prefixes ) Googol refers to 1 with 100 zeros, and Googolplex refers to 1 with Googol zeros... but these numbers aren't really used, as there is nothing we could count in the entire universe that would reach numbers that high, not even individual atoms. Gajillion and Shmazillion were just words that I made up... I think your sarcasm detector is broken. chay chayi: Why can't you make up the same like the other people made it all up ?? 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