Are religious people more prone to being judgemental? (Page 4)

Zanjan: I'm eating lemons right now - want some? They're energizing, especially when sliced into ice cold water. It's amazing what strength can come from a little fuit in a sour situation - that is, when you're fighting for justice for someone else.

GeraldtheGnome: The Judgement of believing that God does exist without the proof is one where no one can tell anyone that God does or doesn't depend on anything or that God likes to do what is right, it has everything to do with the individual. Also the misguided belief that there are Prophets of God without the proof of such does fall that, so does the belief that Hell does exist without the proof, there's no escaping that fact. No one can control someone else's life and destiny, true, but they can guide it.

GeraldtheGnome: Maybe more people on this site should eat Humble Pie.

Zanjan: God is within - I can see inside myself. Some aren't so good at that because they're afraid to look.

GeraldtheGnome: God is within the mind for some, that is where those that aren't afraid to look for the unproven existence of God look.

Zanjan: God is in the heart, in the bosom of your soul.

GeraldtheGnome: The Heart has Blood in it and the Soul is a metaphysical state solely reliant on how the Mind works. God isn't in there, but the belief that he is with some, if he does exist, is.

orkanen: Would that be the same god that revealed to you the secret of lemons, "nature's own battery", Zanjan? If so, I wouldn't put much faith in what it says. Perhaps if you studied what people have discovered, instead of listening to the voices in your head, you might receive some actual knowledge. You may occasionally get lucky in your guesses, but chances are, you'll just repeat your lemon blunder, over and over.

Zanjan: If you think I'm a blundering fool, why should that worry you?

orkanen: You're extremely good at twisting my words away from their intended meaning, Zanjan. Do the voices in your head instruct you to do that too?

I care because you're so much more than this. The fact that you're wrong about some things doesn't mean you're wrong about everything. Also, the fact that you assert some things leads me to believe you already know you're wrong, particularly about the things you assert so strongly.

Zanjan: Ork, walk the walk - tell me when I'm right, ok?

I'm curious...how much more than this am I? Feel free to add lots of detail.

orkanen: You're not giving me much to do here, Zanjan. Especially when writing about the fruits of your superstitions.

You do however care for your family, your surroundings, for other life. By your own words, you stand up to injustice. I believe you.

Zanjan: How strange you said that you "BELIEVE"! Has to be the first time you've ever said that.

Personally, I wouldn't believe anyone just going on their word. I mean, it's not unreasonable to want to see some concrete evidence,right? Otherwise, you have to rely on faith -by what means shall we know this faith isn't misplaced?

Sounds like you're a bit of a gamblin' man,Ork.

The13th: My town has an Anglican church 5 min walk from my home. There aren't many places to go in small town then so us kids like to hang around church building on Sunday afternoon.

After primary school I accidentally found my self being assign to the secondary school that belongs to the Anglican church. So for 6 years i took theb10 min walk to school passing by the church every day.

To these days, decades later, I have no clue who in town attended the church. Have very little interest what's going on in there. We know they are christian. That's OK. Fine by me. Most of the kids I go to school with aren't christian and have walked past the church their whole life without paying any attention to it. Come to think of it, my grandpa cycle passed the church hill everyday his whole life without paying much attention to it. Our lives and their lives don't cross path. We just don't know who they are, and we don't pass judgment. Many generations of my town must have done the same thing.

Zanjan: The region where I live is known as the Bible Belt of the province; not sure why that is. I live in the countryside and work in a small town. It has 6 churches and 5 liquor outlets. I think it's safe to judge that this town is conflicted.

orkanen: Are you telling me I'm wrong, Zanjan, when believing what you say about your family, your life, your attitude towards your surroundings?

Zanjan: Nope - I'm saying that it's a rather mysterious way you have of knowing such things. Knowledge by faith doesn't seem to be something you'd normally support.

The13th: And if all the holy prophets of god decend upon my church, they won't get condemnation from the towns folk even though most of us are not christian. Me, my grandpa, my mates are still going to pass by the church on our way to somewhere. We don't have a clue what judgment to pass on those old testament figure. Most likely we will bring our mobile phone and see if we can take a selfie with them. I also hope they find our food agreeable.

orkanen: It's simple. If I claim there's an orange car in my backyard, the likelihood of you accepting my claim is, or at least should be, much higher, than if I claim there's a Karelian battle cruiser in my backyard.

When you present your assertions about the supernatural, of course I'm much more sceptical to your claims, than when you post about your brother. Not to mention your alleged communications with the gods. The lemon, "nature's own battery" comes to mind yet again. If you truly did possess a direct line to the supernatural, the least one should expect is for your posts to be accurate. But alas, far from it. Instead, it looks like you are pulling it out of your bum.

So, which is it? Do you communicate with higher powers, or are you just imagining you are?

Zanjan: Humanity is ONE natural family and we're social beings - we weren't meant to wait for the world to come to us, we're supposed to reach out to it.

You see, in each creature is a partial reflection of ourselves; by learning about them, you learn more about yourself. In each of us are the expressions of the thoughts of God. If we can't understand each other, we don't stand a chance at knowing anything about God.

orkanen: There you go again, asserting the supernatural. It may make sense to you when you post it, in some obscure way. Yet every time someone points out the flaws in your assertions, you know you're wrong. You've invested so much into your beliefs, it's too late for you to back out now, so you have to ignore it, or twist it into something harmless, ridicule it, everything to maintain your precious.

Perhaps gods exist, perhaps not. I was wrong about my beliefs, so I did something about them. You should try it some time. Be honest with yourself for a change. It might even do you good.

The13th: So most kids who grew up in simple household or township tend to be less judgmental. The natives in the rainforest when my great grandpa arrived are also not very judgmental. They probably just said "those white man we fought last time brought some yellow skin people to clear the forest." And we manage to live 5 generations with them now.

But christian is different. Although it is the dominant religion now, in the early history it has been condemned and persecuted. I suspect modern day christian still subconsciously adopt the condemned and persecuted stand in their mind somewhere. And with this "us against them" kind of mindset. And this influence they way they made judgment on every thing around the world.

GeraldtheGnome: No one literally 'said' anything on here. If you don't believe anyone on just going by their word whether it be that of the written, typed or spoken word then which word don't you believe ? Nothing sounds like anything on here unless we are referring to something we literally heard. No one can rely on faith, at best one can only hope that what they believe in in regards to faith is true, as I do, that is why I'm an Agnostic Theist and until the day someone can prove their words about Religion, if they ever can, then I will stay this way.

Now apart from the spelling errors and other English errors here, I have to tell you all this, we all do pass judgements on everything every single second of the day, even when we are asleep. It is obvious why it is named as a Bible Belt, as for those within it living in conflict, well it's like this, "This is the Blood of my Blood", then the Minister passes around the Liquor, oops, sorry the 'Blood' . Having faith in something or in someone does not mean that you have knowledge in that of something or of someone. There is no proof that there ever was and/or is even one Prophet of God. A Karelian Battle Cruiser ? Is that a reference to Ships in your part of the World or to something that is from Science Fiction ?

Unless Supernatural events can be proven to have happened then of course they are the most difficult to believe things. I transformed my car into a Ferrari by using Car Polish. Do you believe that ? It was not however claimed on here that she did communicate with the Gods, but that of God, the God of which there is no proof of the existence of and that there still is no proof that he didn't exist, with which the latter is what she is strongly clinging to with the most extreme and most likely very implausible beliefs that she has. Why ? Because she believes he is real is enough proof. Well it isn't enough proof. Humanity is not a natural Family, not all of us are social 'Beings' , I for one turn off and on being Social in the same way that I can turn on and off a light. It is very easy for me to do that. There is no reflection of even one part of ourselves in even one creature. We all learn more about ourselves by knowing of all our mistakes and that of how not to make them, as well as some other things. There are no expressions and thoughts of anyone that may or may not exist that is within each of us. No one can know God if it isn't even known if he does exist and it isn't known.

The13th: Its only natural because, if I were to be born in a household where my grandpa keep telling me every now and then how our early forefather has been persecuted, my survival instinct would make me more protective, more analytical, more guided, more suspicious of others. And how do you pick up "others" in the crowd? By judging if this fellow follow "The Book". Those who don't follow the book are potentially harmful and threatening and I must prevent the fate of my forefather befall me.

GeraldtheGnome: We aren't less judgemental, even the term overly judgemental is a little misleading, more to the point we can judge things in a fairer or totally fair way rather than by any other means, the underlying problem is that each of us can be overly judgemental by being unfair. I sure have in the past, just as some have and just like some are being that to me to this day. You can't please everyone, we never will be able to, but it is possible for us to please most people and that is what I am aiming for. Of the opponents that I deeply care for though of even that is still proving to be difficult while they are still showing signs of staunch resistance against me.