Are religious people more prone to being judgemental? (Page 3)

CoIin
CoIin: Mr Holy Spirit says "Got any easier questions?"
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Se7en_of_Nine
Se7en_of_Nine: lol, obviously you aren't serious. Have a nice day!
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CoIin
CoIin: Yes, and you do not wish your beliefs to be challenged.

If you had erroneous beliefs, would you want to know?

Or better not to?
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Se7en_of_Nine
Se7en_of_Nine: No, what I wish is for you not to attempt to forcibly question my faith. I have faith and its OK to have faith. And it wont be taken away from me, no matter how much you challenge me. You cannot change me. Thanks for understanding. Again, have a nice day.
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CoIin
CoIin: I see, better not to risk being wrong, eh?

And a lovely day to you, too. No offence at all intended. I'm one of these silly people who thinks we should all try to think more.
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Se7en_of_Nine
Se7en_of_Nine: No, its better not to risk being led astray. I'm one of those silly people who believes. And who knows when to walk away. I can only tell you about the hope I have inside me, but I cannot prove my faith or God to you. The only one who can prove that to you would be God. God has proven Himself to me, and I accepted it. I haven't stopped thinking, because that is a human element. I just choose to stop overthinking and I wont hide behind science or demand proof just to make fun of someone who does believe or tell them they are constantly 'wrong' or stupid. Thank you, I will have a lovely day. Praise the Lord!
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CoIin
CoIin: Praise Donald Trump too
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CoIin
CoIin: Hmm, does this Holy Spirit dude do anything about urinary tract infections? Ouch
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Se7en_of_Nine
Se7en_of_Nine: Ask the Holy Spirit to help you choose the right doctor.
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CoIin
CoIin: Hmm, we knew that already . But thanks
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The13th
The13th: 7/9 gets 9/10 on being not judgmental. :-)
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GeraldtheGnome
GeraldtheGnome: The Holy Spirit here in my city is a Hospital so if I have a problem with something then I will ask someone at that hospital, it's only 10 minutes drive from my house after all. As for the other Holy Spirit, well there is no proof that he does or does not exist.

As for the amount of people on this Planet that are not Judgemental in the way of a Percent ? 0 %

Therefore the question being asked is a silly one for what the word Judgemental means was never seen in the full context of all that it really does mean.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Well, there's several kinds of judgements we all MUST make every day; the following is not a complete list:

Catagory 1

1. Judgement on personal/business/health decisions etc.
2. Judgement of time, distance and space.
3. Judgement of creative direction ( style and method)
4. Judgment of one's own physical, mental and emotional limitations

Catagory 2

1. Judgement of a moral principle (an ethic)
2. Judgment of a belief system
3. Judgment of a justice system
4. Judgment of another person's quality of character

If we are to survive on earth, there's no way to escape making these judgments. That requires us to think and ponder, get facts, weigh pros and cons, and develop an action plan with a goal in mind.

The question in this topic is about judgments we don't have to make, judgments we shouldn't make, and judgments we have no right to make. Basically, we question a standard of fairness.

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The13th
The13th: An actor once said, when he was young he thing about 3 things before he act. When he gets old he think about 10 things before he act. He is not sure whether he is a better actor, all he know is he think about a lot more things.

I am very sure that when I approach a religious person, I get judged in more ways than when I approach a "simpler", less religious person. They might have judged me correctly. But I prefer to stay with a crowd who judge me on less things.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Well, that's too vague for my liking. The good and bad rarely hangout together.


We understand there's no such thing as an equal standard of fairness. Life isnt fair; we all know this. Therefore, we SHOULD strive towards an equal standard of justice for all.

The religions have a standard, given to them by God. We hope their peoples will try to follow it correctly. The rest have a mishmash of something borrowed from religion, some famous people, myths and folk traditions, government legislations, and something they thought up themselves. It's not a standard because it doesn't serve across the board.

Let's take an example:

You've stolen something (whether it rightfully belonged to you or not). There is irrefutable, concrete, documented evidence that you are guilty. We judge you as a thief. This is fair if you let that judgement stop there. The conviction is agreeable but some don't agree on the sentencing.

Unfortunately, SOME people go on to make other accusations that aren't relative to the offense; often, they do it without a shred of evidence and they don't try to get any either. (I see this happen every day all around me) Then they judge, convict and sentence.

"I judge you as having done wrong, therefore you are an evil/harmful soul, therefore my buddies and I shall shun you and your wicked works from this day forward"

Now, if one of these above people happens to be a religious person, they add a prediction of your future, such as "You're going to hell; therefore God shall curse you to eternal damnation."

Which offends you more? Is this not all the identical offense?

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GeraldtheGnome
GeraldtheGnome: Actually it mentioned about being Judgemental, that though is not the problem, the problem is the misconception that any type of Judgement is unfair and that we don't make Judgements all the time. The word unfairly should have been used before the word Judgemental, without that the question is one that really isn't worth answering and that is a fair Judgement made by me right there.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Some people hear quotes and accept them as a thought stated in its entirety - no exceptions to the rule. When people try that with scripture, they run into problems:

Matthew 7:1

"Judge not, that ye be not judged."

This is the one most often cited - usually, by the non-believers. They ignore any other text that would direct one to its intent and application. By itself, it's meaningless. Let the texts clarify:

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Leviticus 19:15

Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.


2 Chronicles 19:6
And said to the judges, Take heed what ye do: for ye judge not for man, but for the Lord, who is with you in the judgment.

Romans 2:1.

Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

Romans 2:3.
And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

Accusations bite back, people.

Luke 19:22
And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant.

1 Corinthians 6:2
Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?


James 4:11
Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.

And finally, we go full circle............

James 5:9
Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door.

Now we see what the author intended by the first quote -> Don't hold grudges against others, it will be your gloom and doom. You all know that grudges are resentments that foster prejudice, which turn into false accusations, then finally to hatred.

It doesn't make sense to poison wells, especially your own.
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The13th
The13th: For argument sake, lets forget about mishmash, and assume that religious people adhere strictly to the standard given by god. The key fact is religious people has a standard. Us common folks dont have such standard. Standard is something that you judge other things against. Therefore religious people will judge all against their yardstick. Whereas non religious people doesnot have a yardstick to judge other against.
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GeraldtheGnome
GeraldtheGnome: We all Judge on all, so therefore even the Religious text even in that context is incorrect. Also to believe that there is a God without the proof is as much a Judgement as is believing that there is a way to prove that there isn't a God. All people Judge, whether they believe in a Religion or a God or of one or none of those things.
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The13th
The13th: Yes we all judge on all. I meant to say we do not have a religious yardstick. This lack of religious yardstick does not necessarily make me a better person, but I think it does make me less judgmental religious-wise.
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The13th
The13th: But in all fairness u can be judgmental as hell, I measure people by how much they contribute to society. The town I live in is started by an English men, the school I attended is started by a Scottish church man.Across the rroad another school started by Irish church man. If they are around I am sure they will have harsh judgment on me, but they are good man in my book.
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GeraldtheGnome
GeraldtheGnome: We is what you mean isn't it ? I am ignoring the English mistakes that I just saw.
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The13th
The13th: Certainly of course. WE it is then :-)
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Zanjan
Zanjan: "Whereas non religious people doesnot have a yardstick to judge other against. "

Oh yes they do - it's the one they invented themselves. This is how it works: YOU are this and YOU are that: YOU did this and YOU did that. When they think about what they, themselves, are doing, they're thinking their own actions are because of what YOU'RE doing, see?

This isn't about judging, it's about HOW you judge. The standard of God doesn't depend on other people's opinions and actions. God likes to do things right, so do I - has nothing to do with YOU.

All the Holy Prophets of God have faced condemnation from others - so, how the hell can you possibly think you could escape it either? What does this prove? Apparently, it proves you can't control someone else's life and destiny no matter who you are.

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orkanen
orkanen: Zanjan wrote: God likes to do things right, so do I

Would lemons, "nature's own battery" also be within the bounds of doing things right, Zanjan, or is it just one of those many exceptions?
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