Islam-- Way of life (Page 6) (Post deleted by Nuur25 ) chayim: The main proof and evidence that jesus was not a prophet is, that he changed the laws of the Torah, and the Torah says, that if any prophet comes and says in God's name that any law of the Torah is God now changing it, you should kill him, and not fair him, because he is a false prophet, because i will never change anything what i said through Moses Second The Messiah will never be killed because of the Jews Third The concept of a Messiah is to come once and help the world totally, not to come and say things Forth The Messiah must be from the "seed" of king David, and what the christians say about jesus's birth, was he not from the "seed" of king David (Edited by chayim)  ghostgeek: The laws weren't changed Chayi. They're still there, in the Old Testament, in the Bible. It's just that non Jews don't have to keep them. ghostgeek: Well, there you go Chayi. That's why we have Christianity, so we don't have to obey all these silly laws. I seem to remember you saying that non Jews only have to follow seven commandments. So, over six hundred for you Jews and only seven for the rest of us. I reckon God is punishing you.  TrueWord: Moofy, thanks. Much appreciated. All, please see moofy's forum titled: Do You Feel Jesus Was a Messiah, Prophet or Deity? Why or Why Not? We will try to re-establish this forum for its purpose as indicated by the title of the forum. Please see moofy's forum, for further discussions regarding this matter. @ghostgeek, I have already replied back to your previous concern on moofy's forum. Thanks, TrueWord  Zanjan: Chayi: “and it's exactly 5774 years” The world is not the planet – this is the spiritual world of humanity since recorded history. That historical chapter has closed for mankind, which has moved forward in spiritual development and accomplishment. We are a global village now, and our world today is nothing like the old world, which is gone. Muhammad was part of that old world too. You may wish to live in the past but mankind doesn’t because it wasn’t meant to. Zanjan: Ghost: “Someone they wanted dead. Yet nobody appears to have recorded any of this, even though there were plenty of scribblers around at the time. “ Think of me as a scribbler; some people have wanted me dead and still do – did you know this fact? Why not? “So why do only the Gospels speak of him, and then not until after thirty years following his death? Might it be that absence of evidence is, in this case, evidence of absence?” Nope, the eye witnesses (Apostles) were disciples while Jesus was alive, still learning and listening. He was the teacher, orally instructing. After His death, His followers spread the Gospel orally too. To put anything in print would be the death of the holder at that time; furthermore, most people were illiterate so a book, which takes a year at least to write by hand would have been useless to them, even if they could afford to have one. Yet some letters got through to their little bands of believers fast spreading throughout the Mediterranean. So, I don’t know where you got the idea nobody spoke of Him until later. Civilian history records the political state of Israel and what happened in Rome, and other countries to these early Christians. I’m wondering why you don’t also try to negate the existence of Muhammad – what does civilian history say of HIM? You can apply the same principles to Muhammad, except we know that much of what He said was written down exactly at the time He said it. He was illiterate but He dictated to those who could write and approved it before it got out of His sight. Yet that too, was not of much use to His followers, who were mostly also illiterate. He lived a full life span as a teacher - His Word got out orally long before the print version did. (Edited by Zanjan) Zanjan: Along this same theme, Baha'is have been in North America since 1898 - what civilian history recorded of them was nothing (except in the land of its birth). Even in Canada, the first civilian mention to the public of Baha'u'llah wasn't until the late 1920s, and that was in a newspaper article. Yet this is around 30 years after Baha'ullah passed away - we're literate and can afford books. People are very selective about the history they choose to read. If they're only interested in wars and technical/political developments, that's the only history they'll read - not religious history. At least not until they see it present all around them by the masses. When I was young, I'd never heard of Islam - how could my country have missed that? Well, because few Muslims lived here and no books were available to read. Guess how I found out about it? Through the Baha'i Faith - Baha'u'llah insisted we all read the Quran. So, you know what I did? I went to festivals where there were religious booths, went to every Muslim one and said "If this is the Book of God, why do you withhold it from us?" They said I had to learn Arabic to read it; I replied "Will you tell me you have no scholars capable of translating it to English? Sorry, but if this is the Word of God, you don't own it and have no right to put conditions on it". I'll read it when you guys decide to share. Within 2 years, the first Quran in English appeared in one store in the city of 3/4 million inhabitants - I bought that one. (Edited by Zanjan) Zanjan: Reverse of the Shema: "Hear O Peons of the Underworld, the Lord, our Master is Satan, the Almighty Power" Conversely, see Salman Rushdie's Book. "Satanic Verses" I never read it myself because the author used shock value and outrageous insult rather than literary skill or wisdom to gain attention and sell his books. (Edited by Zanjan) chayim: False propaganda, you only want to prove your religion by the population of it, i"l tell you the secret, all non holy people are only looking for sexuality, and lust, and your false prophet lustful muhamad, was about lust, he married a 9 year old because of his lust, and promises 72 virgins for to be a concept of heaven, totally lust and sin, this is islam, 72 virgins in heaven, totally blasphemy The Torah says, before God was about to give the Torah to the Jews, God said to Moses say to all Jews they should not sex with women for 3 days, and after than God gave the Torah, God's way is not sex and lust God says in the Torah that God chose Israel not because they are the biggest population of other nations, the opposite, they are the smallest nation, a king in his palace only has a few people, in his state more, in his land more, in his entire kingdom more, the Jews are the people in God's palace Yishmueil was not a prophet, and it does not say in the Torah, God never even spoke to him, or even a angle, he was a nasty evil born, he had the bad instinkts of his mother that she was a daughter of the egyptian king Love is not to love evil and false, love is to bring everyone to the truth, and this is God's way, and the way of the Torah God said to Abraham to send away Yishmaeil and his mother they should not effect Yitzchuck (Isaac) with their bad instinkts and culture TrueWord: Chayim, do not speak without knowledge. There are 1.7 Billion Muslims in the world, many who have converted to Islam and would refute and denounce your statement above. Do not speak without knowledge. I have highlighted previously, in detail, the nature of Prophet Muhammad's marriages. Please show respect for all of the Prophets of God. Thanks. ghostgeek: I was once told by an Arab that there is joy in three things; eating meat, riding meat and putting meat into meat. ghostgeek: Mani c. 216–274 AD, the founder of Manichaeism,claimed to be the Paraclete promised in the New Testament, the Last Prophet. How does this square with Muhammad's claim to be the last prophet?  GeraldtheGnome: Islam, use it as a guide, not as a way of life. End of story. Full stop. End of this forum. Bye ! Zanjan: Chayi: " all non holy people are only looking for sexuality, and lust" To prove this, the only holy people are unmarried and celibate, right? Of course, you'll need spies to confirm the truth of their celibacy. As for the 72 Virgins in the next world, what do you think any man could do about it? Marrying a prepubescent female: What kind of mind thinks that just because a couple is married they have to have sex? Is forcible sex some kind of law you or your buddies invented? Why are your posts about other religions always about sex? I'm getting the feeling you're unduly preoccupied with that subject. (Edited by Zanjan) | Religion Chat Room 46 People Chatting Similar Conversations |
