The dominoes keep falling around the faith-based opposition surrounding same-sex marriage (Page 53)

davesdatahut: Good point. It is in the nature of fanatacism that a fanatic rarely acknowledges that they are one. I take that part about Zanjan back and simply take note that it appears she is one.

pyroclastic flo: a fanatic will feel self righteous and "mission from god " purposeful in his zeal. opposition to his holy POV isn't just a disagreement w/ him as another human being but is a sin against his preferred deity. disagreeing w/ a zealot is tantamount to blasphemy in the mind of said zealot. only the sinfully lost and hell bound can possibly disagree with a fanatic's sacred truth.

disclaimer: the above ^ references religious fanatics. the poster acknowledges that fanaticism isn't confined to religion.

orkanen: Include "lying for Jesus", and it sounds like Zanjan.

near50ohoh:

pyroclastic flo: a religious fanatic can never truly lie because a deity will always morph reality to conform with the beliefs of the faithful. it's miraculous!

orkanen: Well, they lie to themselves, and they usually know it too. Just watch them squirm when you catch them in the act. Next time you encounter them, your previous encounter never happened. Zanjan knows I have caught her lying plenty of times. One of the reasons she's stopped replying to me is that I refused to accept her lies and informed I would delete any reply following my post that didn't include a follow up of specific claims she had made. I deleted 3 posts, and since then, almost bliss. She slipped once.

Zanjan: " those megaphones for deity asserted that women are guilt laden chattel deserving of oppression, that slavery and beating one's slave is appropriate and genocide is the will of their god so mass murder is a sacred act. all conveniently sanctified megalomaniacal fancies which modern civilized people of conscience find abhorrent. "


You're confusing God with Jim Jones. You're also confusing saints with politicians. I'm not sure what books your reading but that's just paper. Look again at your modern 'civilized society' and please explain your alcoholics, drug addicts, homeless people, and your crime and suicide rates. It's a wonder to find anyone fit enough to go to war.

Of course you'll say that's irrelevant.In that case, perhaps you can steer us to that idylic corner of Utopia you live in where all the happy people sing and play nice.

near50ohoh: yeah thing about Utopia is there's still people there
But the megaphones in question are common among a few religious texts sadly

pyroclastic flo: **indulges in masochistic tendencies**

"You're confusing God with Jim Jones. You're also confusing saints with politicians. I'm not sure what books your reading but that's just paper. Look again at your modern 'civilized society' and please explain your alcoholics, drug addicts, homeless people, and your crime and suicide rates. It's a wonder to find anyone fit enough to go to war"


Jim Jones used the Bible as the platform for his insanity and politicians use it too to herd the easily herded sheeple. that's because there's plenty in the Bible for the narcissistically insane and power driven manipulative to use to push their sick agendas as righteously the "will of God" and there's plenty of people insecure enough to believe and follow whatever heinous blather is concocted out of such "holy" scriptures. you can justify infanticide by quoting Bible verse, fer crise sake!

lol you use the word "your" in describing modern society and it's assorted ills as if I created it whole clothe and by myself out of a void and somehow you're separate and not part of it. are you suggesting that crime, homelessness, addiction and other problems to which humans are prone weren't present in the past? perhaps you think that cutting off a person's hand is just punishment and a good deterrent for stealing? stoning disobedient children to death outside the city gates is a great way to keep brats in line? how about forcing poison down the throat of an accused adulteress to see if her womb shrivels and rots thereby confirming her sin? a good and just practice? sorry .. but history creates the Now and history is a long litany of human willed injustice, misery and war, a lot of which was (and still is) based in religious conviction. your refusal to evolve beyond cruel and primitive bronze age "morality" perpetuates and exacerbates humanity's continuing pain and confusion. how many women are abused and/or murdered by their husbands or masculine family members because she "deserves" it according to a culture based in misogynistic bronze age "morality"? how many Gay folks (usually teenagers) commit suicide thanks to smugly judgmental people like you?

and btw ... "holy war" = oxymoron. (emphasis on moron)

davesdatahut: While flo accurately dissects Zanjan's unctuous, obstreperous nonsense, let me toss in a quote from the god whisperer's latest deposit of effluent:
The big Z sayeth: "You're confusing God with Jim Jones. You're also confusing saints with politicians. I'm not sure what books your reading but that's just paper."
And your bible, Zanjan? Is it written on paper? Or is written on something else? I think it's put down on paper. Although, in too many cases, one could reasonable confuse it with the dried bowels of so many of its past champions.

davesdatahut: And, by the way, Zanjan, no one here proclaims to know the road to any idyllic place. We simply seek to plow down the anachronistic, faith-based bigotry that seeks to have one class of law-abiding people treated differently than another, under the law. That might help get us all to a slightly better, more civilized place. But, of course, as you said a few days ago, you hold no position on whether this should happen. None at all.
Yes. None at all.

trust1g4e: As far as my last statement to clarify, since I was accused of bigotry, I was talking in past tense of my way of thinking concerning the homosexual's life style and my lack of interest as to how they lived it, which have nothing to do with hate, attack or bigotry, now as a believer in Jesus Christ and the Bible message, I no that God loves everyone, but He does not condone sin.

near50ohoh: homosexuality isn't sin... God created the universe and all therein and God being perfect couldn't create a creature he would abhor. IMO

trust1g4e: God created us with the ability to make choices, even if those choices are the opposite of His own, otherwise we would be nothing more than programmed machines not companions of God or each other. Homosexual acts of any kind are not in agreement with God's will, and that's a matter of record not just my opinion.

davesdatahut: Trust, on what basis do you view homosexuality as a choice?
And you have not told us what you mean by homosexuals coming your way.

trust1g4e: Read carefully Homosexual proposition, that is what I mean by Homosexuals making an approach. And a Homosexual act is a choice, like any other act that people do that is apposed to God's will.

davesdatahut: What do you based that on, this notion that homosexuality is a choice? Assuming you are straight, did you choose to be straight?
And what 'homosexual proposition' are you talking about?

trust1g4e: You don't need me friend you need a dictionary. Repent.

davesdatahut: A dictionary is going to tell me that homosexuality is a choice? Which dictionary would that be?
Here's how Merriam-Websters defines the term:
Homosexual (noun) -
1: of, relating to, or characterized by a tendency to direct sexual desire toward another of the same sex
2: of, relating to, or involving sexual intercourse between persons of the same sex

Nothin there about choice.

And this business about repenting. What is it you think I should repent for?

near50ohoh: @trust1g4e yes God gave us free will. But you seem to be under the impression that stuff written thousands of years ago still marks where the lines are. I'm curious if you are kosher in your diet? Just white fish, don't mix dairy and meat, no pork,... If you're not then according to the old testament you're sinning.
Being homosexual isn't a choice. And God created them also.

trust1g4e: Mark 7:18-20

18 And he (Jesus) saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;

19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?

20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.

trust1g4e: Words of someone who knows what He is talking about and stays with it, regardless if governments or groups of any kind agree with Him or not.

near50ohoh: Jesus Christ said in the book of John ch 8 in the story of the prostitute two very relevant things to your attitude and I promise I can find more if you need them.

1) Let he who is without sin cast the first stone
2) Neither do I condemn thee go and sin no more
Jesus Christ was all about forgiveness. If the premise of His church is his message and you must follow that to be a Christian... Judge not lest ye be judged

near50ohoh: I've warned a few others that if you pull out chapter and verse, I know them well too.

near50ohoh: dave and orkanen you may like the tune here, it's right up your folk/alt alley