The dominoes keep falling around the faith-based opposition surrounding same-sex marriage (Page 3)

orkanen: That's the thing, it's NONE OF ANYONE'S BUSINESS how others live their lives, as long as other people are not hurt by their actions in any way. Forcing upon others your religion is hurting other people. Forcing upon others the rules and regulations of your religion is hurting other people. Doing your best to destroy other people's education is hurting other people. If you so want it, go hurt yourself, but leave others out of it.

near50ohoh: Having agreed with that the other side of the coin is the world would be much better if the base ideals were adhered to by everyone in the world and the holy books and prophets were considered to be zeitgeists and left at that. The books have some gorgeous imagery and poems. Some of the stories are good fables for kids. But eventually we all as believers or atheists, agnostics have to grow up and live together. THAT is my New Year's wish but I doubt it will ever come true. :

davesdatahut: Near, the number of true believers here will always be you plus the number of other true believers. The number of fanatics who would most likely make god wince as they dictate other people's behavior will be, well, I think you know the answer to that.

near50ohoh: I don't know Zanjan is far from the worst I've met. Yes even here.

davesdatahut: Tropical, we have at least one in this thread for whom equal and fair treatment for law abiding, consenting adults takes a back seat to their certain definition of truth and irrefutable contention that they know the will of god. It is quite remarkable. And sad. And a few other words that come to mind.

davesdatahut: Powerplant, it is worth noting that gathering into groups and chanting to someone who isn't there would be considered psychotic behavior in other forms. But since it is widely regarded as sane behavior, I say let them do it. Have at it. Just do not inflict it on those who don't want it. And, above all, do not declare that god has decided that certain people have more rights than others, simply because of the way they like to have sex.

Zanjan: Ork: " it's NONE OF ANYONE'S BUSINESS how others live their lives"

If that were true, there wouldn't be laws to protect the lives of others, particularly children. When one has no respect for life, limb and family, that flows over onto everyone else's. Everyone is called into account - no one escapes......with or without God.

near50ohoh: fresh meat!!

near50ohoh: Bella tell Dave to go to bed!! It's 3:10 am

davesdatahut: Yes, mom. We are off to bed....promise.

near50ohoh:

orkanen: Context, Zanjan. You took a partial sentence out of context to make it look like something it's not. It's a fallacy, in case you still don't know. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_quoting_out_of_context You should be embarrassed for doing such a thing, but from observation, you're not, apparently. Instead, you just seem annoyed because I yet again caught your hand in the cookie jar.

My post is to be viewed as a single statement, excerpts will not display the same meaning as the whole post. By knowingly displaying something I wrote out of context, you are being dishonest, in case you still don't know. Isn't lying something religionists are not supposed to do, or is it just another facet of your "truth"? And just like the difference between "deny" and "reject", why don't you try learning from your mistakes?

davesdatahut: Handy, in the minds of religious extremists - or, in kinder words, strongly religious conservatives - there is little or no wiggle room or space for disputing the supposed word of god that they and their club members have conjured up. They KNOW what god says and if you don't agree up and down the line, you simply do not know. You range from foolish and uneducated to ignorant and wicked, in their view. It is a sad twisting of what could otherwise be a great thing, this business about religion. But they will push it to the nth degree and then some, with horse blinders on to prevent them from seeing any way other than what is written in their house rules.

near50ohoh: sighs : Why am I getting lumped in the same group? I don't partial quote you or exaggerate your claims whether I agree with them or not.

davesdatahut: You aren't. You are lumped in with the true believers - those who believe in what religion really teaches, not the stifling crap that comes from extremists. What made you think otherwise?

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near50ohoh: cuzz Lipton it took me a lifetime of uneasy decisions to get to this point. And a LOT of sacrifice. To some ppl religion is sacred and it hurts us to have others mock it.
Dave and Lipton, if I'm in a room of all men and you tell me you hate women wouldn't you see that as insensitive? Think it might hurt my feelings?

davesdatahut: Brilliant, Lipton!
Near, we don't mock it. We seek to expose it for what it's not, when it's espoused by those who seek to bludgeon others with it.

near50ohoh: I would just suggest that I've seen almost equal bludgeoning done by non-believers as by believers. YOU want to change our minds also.

davesdatahut: Of course I want to change minds, from the intolerant to the tolerant. That's the essence of what religion teaches, at its core, with fanatical distortion. Isn't it?
I am not a religious person, but that IS what religion purports to teach, no?

LiptonCambell: Oh no near- That image was more directed at Zanjan....

I wasn't aware I was ganging up on you...I thought we were all still ganging up on her....

I don't think religions all that big of a deal....I don't think there's anything wrong with it, but I don't follow one....I'm moreso irked by people trying to include their religious beliefs in with government...

near50ohoh: Ok but sometimes the wording goes beyond that. On both sides. I've said this before, I feel like monkey in the middle. A lot. : THIS issue is gay rights, and yes Zanjan has extreme views on this and abortion. Not ALL religious ppl agree with her views.