Learning Hebrew, God's Language

chayim
chayim: To knowledge god's word's
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Zanjan
Zanjan: I'm absolutely certain that modern Hebrew is nothing like ancient Hebrew because as people change, so does their language. As they migrate, bringing their tribe's local dialect to a new region, accents and vernacular change.

When re-locating to a new country, the locals adopt some of the foreign language's words. When a people are conquered, there's a lot more blending...old words disappear, new ones show up to take their place.

Spelling and grammar are affected as education increases or fashion dictates. Though words remain in the lexicon, their meanings are affected as lifestyle variations add pressure to transform. Personally, I can't understand the English of a thousand years ago.

If you were to speak the identical language of Abraham, no modern Jew would understand it. As for the language of God, I respectfully submit that none of us can speak that - it's the Creative Word.

His Prophets spoke in many different tongues over the eons, using language the people could understand. Despite the passage of time and place, God ensured His Word was communicated to all of us.


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Zanjan
Zanjan: Meanwhile, Chayi, I apologize if I've interfered with your plans to teach Hebrew to the public.

Obviously, this forum isn't the right environment for attempting to become fluent in a second language - just a spot for asking a question about what a Hebrew word means. Unfortunately, I don't have a word for your translation right now but I'll come back when I do. Thank you for the opportunity.

Oh wait.........I do have an off the wall question. What is the word for "computer"? I'm serious and very curious.....do they use the English for that?

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chayim
chayim: No, the hebrew language is the same exactly like it was always, we have the torah written and tanach like from always, it did not change even a letter, all jews have the same torah and tanach in hebrew, with all the same words and letters, we are not even allowed to change one letter from hebrew because it's god's language and god is not changeble, only the pronounce of it are confused by many jews, but the letters and the words are totally the same by all jews
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chayim
chayim: To know really god's words you must know hebrew to acknowledge god's words first because the original language in what it is written is totally accurate but by translating there are mistakes and not the right understanding, second in hebrew the words have a differnt understanding an culture and influance, third there are words in hebrew that are not able to discribe it really in another language, shortly; in hebrew its god's realization
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Zanjan
Zanjan: So, your saying that if a Hebrew- speaking Jew in Israel has to say the word "computer", he can't - he has to speak completely in another language.

I mean, he will use MODERN Hebrew - that is, one of the official languages of Israel, the other being Arabic, which presents the same problem - they have to use a non-Arabic word for "computer" too.

My question is, if nobody speaks ancient Hebrew, how can that be applicable in daily life? One needs to be a linguist or scholar of a known ancient language. Like Latin and Aramaic, what purpose does a dead language serve for mankind?





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chayim
chayim: The hebrew language is not modernized and its spoken and replying in today's time likes from always, but when you have a new thing that we don't know god's word for it because we don't have any prophet, then we use a word from hebrew that applies that thing, for example computer; they (the secular israelies) took the word of thinking and figuring out in hebrew for computer, they took a word that exist in hebrew and put it on that thing, but they don't make up totally new words
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mirja
mirja: what about aramaic..or how ever you say it. Language that Jesus spoke that was and still is practized in the ...

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chayim
chayim: Aramic is really the hebrew language its only confused from hebrew, all words in aramic are basicly hebrew words but added a letter or two or changed one letter or taken one meaning word on another, it says that the angels hate aramic because its a twisted language from hebrew
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mirja
mirja: aha thats what i thaught cos it sounded like hebrew..thanks
you should start teaching hebrew here
ahh i see the title now ..so maybe this is the study..?
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Interesting video Mirja. Humans have such a strange affinity to languages, sometimes violent, despite all of them being limited in expression in some way.

Reminds me of North American Indigenous languages. When the Europeans put the Natives in residential schools, they beat the kids if they spoke their native tongue. The kids back on the reserve fared no better - their parents beat them if they spoke English (even recently). Similar thing happened with French in Canada.

Preserving cultures is important but it should never be done through conflict - it's just not worth it. English is my mother tongue and I remember how emotionally charged teachers got over bad grammar, even to the point of screaming.

In the Quran, Muhammad mentioned how He met with a clash over language. His contemporaries berated Him because the language of scripture didn't follow their own rules of grammar; with that rationale, they believed it couldn't possibly be from God!

Ironically, any language no matter how well-spoken is limited in what it can convey - people still have a breakdown in communication.

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mirja
mirja: i think if you speak finnish is schools in Sweden you get beaten even today during the war with russia many finnish children were sent to Sweden to be safe... so same happend here ..now they talk about their experiences openly when old and nothing to fear anymore
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chayim
chayim: The hebrew language has its own letters, and its written from right to left, because the right way is right and you always start from right, it has 22 letters, every letter an other pronounce

All other languages are not civilized like the hebrew language if you know the hebrew language and latters you will know what it means and how, but the english language and letters is the most civilized after hebrew, because first there was only 1 language hebrew, and by noach's time god separated them from hebrew to other languages

But the english letters and pronouncing was taken from the hebrew letters, the look of the english letters are basically like the hebrew letters but changed and twisted and added 4 letters, and thats why english language is the world language for the non jews
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mirja
mirja: im sure finnish language is not civilized
Jesus was a rebel jew

what do you think of knowledge of God without a language?
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chayim
chayim: Language is the speach of the spirit
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Strange to us the Hebrew language is written from left to right - either it was very slow going, waiting for wet ink to dry, or they were predominately left handed.

The oldest language is a click language (southern Africa) - date unknown but estimated to have appeared 50,000 years ago.

If you tie the quality of civilization to a language's alphabet, there's one language that has 56 letters - Malayalam. However, Japanese has 3 Alphabets - 2 with letters (46 different letters) and one with 50,000 characters.

Character alphabets aren't true alphabets, ie, cuneiform, hieroglyphics, and Chinese

FYI, Sumerian is the oldest written language - it's 5000 years old. Whereas, the oldest consonantal alphabet (prototype) had its origin in Semitic languages, 2nd milleniaum B.C. However, a true Alphabet is one with consonants and vowels, all of which are given equal status - that came from the Greeks, who adopted their letters from the Phonecians, 8th century B.C.

The oldest letter is "O", and the newest letter is "J" (English Alphabet, 19th century).

While English is currently the universal language of earth, this ascendancy had nothing to do with an alphabet - it happened due to a combination of human migration, political domination, economics, and technology.

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chayim
chayim: The world and the universe is only 5774 years old sharply, 5 days before adam was created, and you have 50,000 years so now you know that all books out of the torah about history and religion is totally false and man made

There is no known history, nothing, before adam and 5 days before him, only false theories
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chayim
chayim: The simple fact is that the false is always more then the truth, to know the truth you must look for it the more you look for the truth the more you find it, but if you deny god's way's you cannot know the truth and simply not looking for it, we jews are not conservative, this is not the wright word, there is only 1 way god's way, even abraham did not find god till god appeard to him, and god appeard to his sons in moses's time and gave all his word's and wisdom clearly, and no man mind will never no nothing about the truth not by god himself, because you cannot know anything about the truth only by god, and god appeard himself only to the jews

Now, no one and no way can be against what we know, simple
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chayim
chayim: What was in the past is not about changing, something what was can be changed after it was, but really god is not under time, time is part of the creation, time is limits in the creation, god is above limmits and above his creation, and by god there is no such a thing of change, change is only by a limited existence
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chayim
chayim: If you will look good you will see that the english alphabet is like the oldest aphebet-hebrew, but this typing type from wireclub hebrew letters is not totally accurate, and not all letters are in the same order

abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz אבגדהוזחטיכךלמםנןסעפףצץקרשת
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Zanjan
Zanjan: God told Lot and his family not to look back............I figure the reason is because that's not where God wanted them to be going. Eyes forward.



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chayim
chayim: I am only farward FROM BACKWARD, if nothing before there was no farwarding
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mirja
mirja: I mean..do you always have to be informed about God by words to realize Him? can you just hear the voice of God for example..to know that the voice is God without ever being hearing about Him
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