Islam IS a Religion that TEACHES Peace (Page 4)

GeraldTheGnome: You unknowingly did show things as one group was better than another, there's no proof of any wrath or even that of God/Allah's existence, but since there's neither any evidence for or against a God under any name existing I was left with the choice of either believing in a God or not, I chose that I was going to believe in a God which is where I still stand. I never asked any one word questions, if I did I would have solely used how or why. I know why horses are different and how but there was not point to it. I can't be thankful over something that there isn't anything to be thankful for and I answered what questions needed to be answered.

I see people for who they really are including the way they look at things. I like Jelly Beans. You do have some odd emotional grudge about things in general yet you are usually level headed so I see this as disappointing. I don't care who wins what race or who you think would. I go off proven results, not emotional beliefs of who or what or what group is better. Diametrically ? Plain English, diametrically isn't plain English, don't give me the meaning, I understand the meaning of the word, Affinity ? Another thing is the word affinity, I just can't see the point for using the word. No matter what you believe about my last statement I will make it clear to you in another way, whether people live in agreement with each other or not they will still get along if they agree to disagree even.

A Muslim is a Muslim, a Christian is a Christian and someone of another religion is still of the religion they belong to whether they are good or bad and/or don't practice the religion that they are a part of. If they leave all today with that religion instead then that is the only way they are no longer a part of the religion that they once were a part of. For example I am no longer a Baptist member.

Zanjan: " Diametrically ?" "Affinity ?"

See, you did it again...and again. I think you did it like, 50 times or more in the topic "religion in the year1000 AD', which you don't believe exists because you say it's supposed to be 999 AD.

I'm not disappointed that you're disappointed - disappointment is what happens when you have unrealistic expectations of others. I'm sure one day you'll understand this is a spiritual dynamic.

Prove to me that people still get along if they agree to disagree. Personally, I'd never strike a deal like that because I don't require anyone's permission to agree or disagree......... so, it's a Mexican standoff. Nobody takes a step closer to liking each other or to understanding because there's a dead air space between them.

If you think people are getting along after this, think again - that's not what's really happening. It's a charade for the sake of peace since they don't know any other way to end an argument. They're barely tolerating each other. One of them would sooner shoot the other in the back than look at other options.

When two people can't agree on a thing, they should take their cue from the word "can't", which means inability to do. Therefore, the best thing is to be honest about it, doing nothing and saying nothing more about it. The second best thing to say is "Wait, you'll see".....this is somewhat ominous so be careful there.

However, if this disagreement is over a decision that has to be made, one person should demur. The other should remember that and offer to demur next time. I *like* people who allow turns; we get along great.

" I am no longer a Baptist member."

You're speaking of a denomination. If you are to remain a Christian, you must become a member of another Christian denomination. If you don't, you'd need to explain how it is that you've not left religion and abandoned God's Messenger. If you step out the door without saying goodbye, people will still know you've stepped out the door.

Religiousness is not merely belief-based. I believe in Jesus and His teachings, so do Muslims - that doesn't make us Christians. So how do you figure that makes you one?

GeraldTheGnome: I didn't do it again, that was the first time around. The dating system I didn't claim that it didn't exist, I just mentioned that it was out of sync which it is. Disappointment is brought about when someone or something has let you down either by a realistic belief about them or by one that isn't, there's no spiritual dynamic to factor in at all. There's many examples of where people agree to disagree anywhere in the world, you can see it as well as I can with or without my proof. You also don't understand what I mean by that. What do you think happens with successful negotiations in many cases ? They usually do get along after that, not always but they do. Nothing is a charade for the sake of peace because peace is a myth and calm is real.

It doesn't always mean that some are barely tolerating the other or any other claim that is made along those lines. There's always more than one way to resolve anything. There is also more than one best way even if the "Wait, you'll see" scenario is excluded, no one necessarily needs to be demur.

A Christian or Mulsim or other isn't defined by if they are within a denomination or not. There's no proof that God/Allah/other had a messenger or not or even if they or God/Allah/other even exist or of Jesus does or doesn't exist. Religiousness is made up, Religious following is at times merely belief based and that makes them and I Christians.I am one because I have blind faith that God exists in some manner until myself or someone else proves me wrong.

Zanjan: " What do you think happens with successful negotiations in many cases ?"

What happens is one party says to the other, "If you give me that, I'll give you this". The other party says "Deal, shake hands". That doesn't mean it's a fair deal - sometimes, it's a hostile takeover by a corporate raider (names withheld).

How this applies to Islamic radicals depends on your knowledge of ordnance.

"There's always more than one way to resolve anything."

I agree, having always said that, myself, noting that too often people submit to that which is unethical - sometimes, for no other reason than that the next guy is doing it.

"I am one because I have blind faith that God exists in some manner until myself or someone else proves me wrong."

Good idea. I agree you should try to prove yourself wrong. Don't give up.


"How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg? Four.
Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg"

- Abraham Lincoln

GeraldTheGnome: It does mean at times that it is a fair deal, sometimes it means that they have agreed to disagree on things and sometimes a half way measure has been reached. Islamic radicals should not be negotiated with by anyone so nothing should depend on anything, ordnance is an uncommon word which I steer clear of because I prefer standard English that everyone can understand. There are many ethical and unethical ways of resolving things so I won't buy into an negative thoughts about that.

Blind faith is satisfactory enough because I know that you, me and everyone else can't prove that God/Allah/fill the name in here does exist. Please stop 'Parroting' me, it is very annoying. In reality there is no way for you or or me or anyone else can prove me wrong or right on that subject.

What a stupid quote to use here and it is totally irrelevant to everything here as well as pointless to everything here.

ryan58581: no offense, but Islam was founded on war,
not saying thats a bad thing because only chritianity and non abrahamic religion prefer peace,
all im saying is Islam is far from peacefull, no offense, but with mecca and all...

GeraldTheGnome: It was, but as far as other things religions are concerned they do not prefer peace because peace doesn't exist but calm does and therefore Islam and every other religion doesn't have anyone peaceful within it. Islam is not warlike or like anything the opposite of that, it is just another religion like every other religion is. None of us said anything, this is text based.

larryhemeon: Peace and love to all

GeraldTheGnome: I give up, believe in the myth of Peace, it's just an idealistic dream. I just hope all from every religion including those of Islam would all just be very tolerant and just get along with others of their own religion and of others.

Zanjan: But you've said many times Islam is about INNER peace.....which is true...how can you now call such happiness a myth? When people tell you they have inner peace, how can you possibly argue that they don't???

However, I'm sure we can both agree that terrorists and radicals don't have inner peace.

Hoping that every religion gets along is a waste of time - you gotta take action and do something to show them how to get along by setting the example yourself.

"Blessed are the peacemakers......" said Jesus.

Muhammad encouraged peacemaking - it's in the Quran; He also says what to do when people reject overtures of peace because they don't want peace.

That was then...this is now, a different world with different people.........and, by golly, we still don't like people who don't want peace - neither does God.

GeraldTheGnome: I never used the words inner peace, which isn't true anyway. Calm isn't a myth, calm brings happiness. No one has inner peace, just a calm and tranquil state of mind. No argument there. Terrorists and radicals don't have inner peace, no one ever has or ever will. Actually hoping every one of every religion gets along is not a waste of time, not doing so is counter productive and at times has brought about religious persecution and death as it will again. Can't have peacemakers, peace or peacemaking because peace is a myth, always will be, always was yet calm is a reality that comes and goes, always did, always will. Muhammad therefore never was able to encourage peacemaking nor could anyone else since it is a search for some unrealistic and idealistic. No one can get what never did, doesn't and never will exist.

The situation that way was the same then as it is now despite how different the world is now and despite there being different people alive now than there was back then. There is no proof that Jesus did or didn't say that or that he does or doesn't exist.

Zanjan: Well, I'll be......! You've recognized Muhammad existed. I wonder why, when you have no proof that He did.

Zanjan: From the Quran:

8:61 But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things).

25:63 And the servants of (Allah) Most Gracious are those who walk on the earth in humility, and when the ignorant address them, they say, "Peace!"

5:16 Wherewith Allah guideth all who seek His good pleasure to ways of peace and safety, and leadeth them out of darkness, by His will, unto the light,- guideth them to a path that is straight.

49:10 All believers are but brethren. Hence, make Peace between your two brethren, and remain conscious of God, so that you might be graced with His mercy.

4:92 Never should a believer kill a believer

GeraldTheGnome: There's historical proof that he existed, that is the reason why, anyone can find out that he did exist. I never claimed once that he didn't, in fact if you read all of my previous stuff properly then you would certainly have seen that he indeed does exist.

GeraldTheGnome: Peace = Myth. Quran and other religious texts of other religions = Made up (mainly by men that are) mere mortals, not via God/Allah or a God or other/s.

Zanjan: By saying that other religions, such as Christianity and Jesus, are made up, you're admitting to their existence.

Of course their bodies were mortal; they passed away but their souls continued to the next world, leaving everyone else and their Revelations behind......thus, men preserved their legacy. This must always happen because they needed to prepare a place for the believers.

In the next world, these Prophets have more power of influence than they had while they lived in this one....so do all believers. Enough time has passed we can all see how that played out, despite those who've fallen away.

GeraldTheGnome: I didn't say anything. I always admitted that all religions exist, I didn't claim that Jesus did or didn't exist though. I don't know if there is an afterlife, it can't be proven, but I hope so. Who left what revelations behind and did those revelations or those people even exist ? There's no proof either way. It doesn't even mean that it ever happened for anyone.

There's no proof for or against any prophets existing in anything but name, so therefore there's no proof of any power or existence from them in the next world or even if there is one.

larryhemeon: They did find the tomb of lazarus, the inscription,
Dead 4 days, friend of Jesus

GeraldTheGnome: Jesus was more common a name than expected, as far as the tomb goes I know nothing about it so it doesn't mean at the moment that you are right or wrong. Religious messages of all religions always do have some real life stuff (and people) added into them, it's a good way to sell any message and idea after all. For now I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

ryan58581: lol jesus is a greek name his true name was yeshua

Zanjan: Wow, that means I've never taken the Lord's name in vain! Cool.

It was a small world in those days - He could introduce Himself as Yeshua of Nazareth and everybody would know who He was - there was only one to a town.

GeraldTheGnome: Depends on who of what religion the person is as to the name. You've never taken the Lord's name in vain. Jesus isn't just a Greek name.

larryhemeon: Aren't translations and preception fun.

larryhemeon: Good point, the word Nazirite or Naziriteship ment to separate yourself from the world and
conduct your self holy to god, term was used in the days of moses, Crist was a Nazareth.

Numbers chapter 6 Old Testament