Why Bother Trying to 'Convert' When It Is Personal? (Page 5)  chay chayi: God IS personal, because God and a person is to be totally one and connected, total love, not separated, God's holy spirit should be in the person, with all his thoughts and mind, with all his acts and tastes and life God IS personal  pyroclastic flo: whether the perceptions of "God" and spiritual "Truth" of others are accurate or inaccurate from YOUR perspective doesn't matter nor is it any of your business. your personal perceptions of "God" and spiritual "Truth" are no more valid than that of others. you're just another over engineered primate with a personal perception lens warped and dirty w/ subjective opinions and bias', just like everyone else. "God" is a personal experience and spiritual "Truth" is the personal interpretation of those personal experiences so mind your own soul, mind your own business. (Edited by pyroclastic flo) pyroclastic flo: lol chayi... from my perspective your perceptions of "God" are narrow and limited and your spiritual "Truth" is warped w/ tribal bias and filthy w/ ethnic ego. your narrow view of "God" is one that is easy for you to understand and you're happy perched on your pedestal of imagined superiority. but that's none of my business. i know that my opinions concerning your personal spiritual "Truth" do not affect you. who am i to blow against the wind?  (Edited by pyroclastic flo) pyroclastic flo: i could try to explain how your personal "God" concepts are based in your Jewish tribal affiliation but you'd conveniently not understand so no point in trying. (Edited by pyroclastic flo) Zanjan: God isn't personal -> He's no respecter of persons. His Revelation is for all of mankind. If it were personal, each would have their own Revelation with no intermediary and no need of teachers. Furthermore, God would take your errors personally and wipe you off the face of the earth for the first mistake you made. (Edited by Zanjan) pyroclastic flo: lol Zan. "God" does provide me with personal revelations and i have no need for an intermediary and every experience, every person i encounter, is teaching me in some way or another.. wah la! (Edited by pyroclastic flo) pyroclastic flo: "Furthermore, God would take your errors personally and wipe you off the face of the earth for the first mistake you made. " you're speaking on behalf of "God" again? wooo hooo! fancy you!  Zan the messiah!the word "revelation" is not confined to your particular definition or religion. dictionary says ... revelation noun 1. the act of revealing or disclosing; disclosure. 2. something revealed or disclosed, especially a striking disclosure, as of something not before realized. 3. Theology. a. God's disclosure of Himself and His will to His creatures. b. an instance of such communication or disclosure. c. something thus communicated or disclosed. d. something that contains such disclosure, as the Bible. (Edited by pyroclastic flo) Zanjan: Pyro, you haven't disclosed anything that has hiterto been unknown to us. I'm quite sure you keep the secrets of your life wrapped up tightly inside a zippered lip, not that anyone is interested in them. We're talking revelation in the religious context. A Revelation is a Book of God, which has its own dispensation. God is patient but soon, He will cleanse the earth of the defilement of men's corruption. That's not something you can do. You can't even handle door knockers. pyroclastic flo: Zan, you haven't disclosed anything new either. you've been blathering the same elitist crap that's been blathered ad nauseum since time unrecorded. what "God" reveals to me is none of your business. if i share those revelations w/ someOne it's b/c they've heard similar from "God" already. We simply compare notes. YOU'RE talking about the Bible's Book of Revelation b/c that's YOUR religious context but what's that to me? i get my spiritual info directly from "God" so why would i fuss around w/ a bunch of easily misinterpreted vague and cryptic Bible verse? i never once said i was in control world shaking events, Zan. unlike you i'm not touting my self as a megaphone for a deity. (Edited by pyroclastic flo) CoIin: @ - "God is patient but soon, He will cleanse the earth of the defilement of men's corruption." Will someone please explain to me why an omnipotent, omniscient being -- the creator and lord of the universe - a dude who can make anything happen any time he wants -- requires patience? Isn't patience the quality required by, say, the poor sods stuck at Heathrow airport when flight BA179 to Tokyo is delayed by six hours and who, unfortunately, are not endowed with the ability to spirit themselves halfway across the world? Isn't patience the quality required by those whose desires cannot be satisfied right away? Apologists for divine procrastination have been telling us for millennia that God's gonna make everything alright, yes he is, but, er, he's waiting for, um, well, you know, this and that to happen first. It made no sense then and it still makes no sense. Anyway, please submit all essays entitled "Why God Patiently Puts Off Till Tomorrow What He Could Do Today and Why Colin Doesn't Understand What Patience REALLY Means" in no more than 500 words to this same splendid thread no later than.... well, before I lose my patience.   calybonos: You make the Heavens and the Earth in seven days and next thing you know, these impatient little bastards are all bitching for microwave ovens and high speed internet. -God chay chayi: God lets everyone, anyone, do what ever they want, the truth should come out clear, by no force, by own will, by own choice, this means God's patience, and the end will show the total truth, of following God, or denying God Everything has a process (Edited by chay chayi) pyroclastic flo: we humans project our human experience onto the screen of "Mystery" and call it "God". if we humans are required to be patient of course "God" must also have that experience, "image of God" and all that.  (Edited by pyroclastic flo) CoIin: No offence, Chayiii, my good fellow, but I do believe you just said absolutely nothing. Your English has improved over the past few months though.  Zanjan: Colin, were your parents never patient with you while you were growing up? Do you think they didn't know you and what you needed? Patience is a divine virtue; it's absence reflects lack of knowledge and understanding. With knowledge, I don't suppose one feels like they're practicing patience; more like biding their time while little steps take them to point B. "Isn't patience the quality required by those whose desires cannot be satisfied right away?" Good point. In this case, "patience" means quiet understanding. Few things are harder to tolerate than 'not knowing'. Everyone who's taken lab tests for a serious ailment understands how difficult is the waiting for the results. Likewise, how difficult is the wait until that appointment with the specialist 6 months away, or hospital date when one knows they have cancer or heart problems. Once must draw on the understanding that worry can't change destiny. CoIin: We were talking about God's putative patience. Why are you switching the subject to human patience?  Humans might need patience. The Big Fellah doesn't. pyroclastic flo:
"Pyro, I'm not talking about the Bible - there are more than two religions out there; consequently, more than two Revelations (Holy Books) of God." well, Zan ... what "God" has revealed to others which thereafter became part of an instituted religious concept is interesting but still doesn't have anything to do w/ me and mine. "holiness" is also a personal experience and your judgements on what is holy and what is not means zero (0) to me. (Edited by pyroclastic flo) | Religion Chat Room 33 People Chatting Similar Conversations |