I am fundamental muslim. (Page 2)

SPIRIT-ONE: First off ,I never said Jehovah was the name of GOD {MORONS-the world seems full of them}
here's a bit of education for the dumb . 'THE LETTER *J* DIDN'T COME INTO USE AND ORIGIN UNTIL 325 A.D.'

YAHWEH is the 'universal'[meant to be spoken ,written ,and pronounced the same in all tongues] NAME of our Creator .

Some newer versions of the Biblia state in their opening footnotes that the name Jehovah is FALSE AND ERRONOUS NAME for our Creator .

Maybe the one the whole world calls God ,answers by that name ,but go and ask a Jehovah's Witness what the true NAME of their Creator is ? they will tell you it is YAHWEH ,pronounced YAH-WAY .

Not some name concocted by a drunk Franciscan Monk named Peterus Gelatinus in 1510 ,by adding his own vowels to the Tetragrammaton .

I read the same thing in ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITTANICA 1968 .

StuckInTheSixties: As silly as this conversation has become, it's still better that the rant that started it off.

†Jack☠OfHearts†™: haahaha ah SPIRIT-ONE man you're the first person I've met like this...and I know understand when someone says religious ppl are delusional I have a full understanding of it. YHWH is a name, the name 'God' gave himself. idk much about the Jehovah's Witnesses so I can't comment on them. SPIRIT-ONE there's lots of bullshit, you must take one bullshit at a time, study it for yourself then refine it so as to not spread the bullshit...you understand?


first you say:

"First off ,I never said Jehovah was the name of GOD {MORONS-the world seems full of them}"

then you say:

"YAHWEH is the 'universal'[meant to be spoken ,written ,and pronounced the same in all tongues] NAME of our Creator"

AFoolLostinParadise: Wow - anyways, i think the original premise was

i am fundamental muslim and proud of it

to which i say, there are so many religions around the world (com'on now, forget about the wacky ones), why islam?

StuckInTheSixties: Because his parents were Muslims, and his neighbors, and everyone else around him.

AFoolLostinParadise: I was going to get to that point. Most religious people know nothing about any other religions. They were brought up to believe what they believe (ah yes, propaganda). Sheep comes to mind.

Look, Snawani. I dont have any problems with what u believe (well, maybe a little). My problem lies in the fact that u do not think for yourself, u let the past of others think for u. Do u ever question some of the tenets of your religion? Words, their context, interpretations, passed down from the ages can be twisted over time. Do u have that same faith in your fellow man that things have not been reshaped to reflect their own agenda? Can u even answer in your words and not from islamic dogma? If not, this whole forum is pointless.

snawani: I am fundamentalist muslim. Proud to be that. Do u know wat fundamental muslim means. One who fallows islam strictly and obey allahs well. So mr i am muslim who has gud knowladge of his religion .and has no cönfusion on any tenet or verse . There is no error in islam it is compelete religion, if u have understanding.

AFoolLostinParadise: ... and how do u balance that with keeping an open mind.

StuckInTheSixties: I'm probably going to regret this, but what the hell ...

snawani says: "There is no error in islam."

Can you explain this contradiction about the consumption of wine?

O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination,- of Satan's handwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper," (5:90).

(Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord. (Can those in such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell for ever in the Fire, and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)?" (47:15).

Truly the Righteous will be in Bliss: On Thrones (of Dignity) will they command a sight (of all things): Thou wilt recognize in their faces the beaming brightness of Bliss. Their thirst will be slaked with Pure Wine sealed," (83:22-25).

snawani: As far as i am pity on ur understanding of simple english. Do u understand english. The first ayat ur refer is out of context . Read that fully. 2nd u wrote is from surah muhammad saw . And what u refer is also out of context . The answere u want to get frm me is in same surah. We all know the formation of wine takes place by fermentation and there too by microbes . And Islam does not allow us to drink wine because of waste harmfull effects . So allah knows better wat is good for human and wat is bad. So we don't drink wine as quran prohibited its drinking on earth and now a daz science also say alcholism is dangerious for our health. First answere my question do u believe in life after death if so u must know that after death we all will be raise by the day of judgement . And those who will true muslims ,and good practising muslims will be rewarded paradise a perminant place where man will always after day of judgement there will be no death . We will remain alive always inshaallah in paradise. And allah gives us reward and say those refrain from drinking wine here on earth which is dangerious for our health . Can drink wine in paradise which is not harmfull. And i again say there is no error in quran. But i suggest u to read whole quran.

StuckInTheSixties: You are for have pity my english is must when ur understanding of which it is. Is but microbes are practice waste harmful effects but will are and read fully with but yes. It say ur refrain was man of no yes but with dangerous of wine. See will whole earth but again no yes but with you.

StuckInTheSixties: (laughs)

Yeah, I know that was kind of a cheap shot, but that knothead is deserving of it.

I'll keep working to improve my English, dude.

StuckInTheSixties: snawani, if Islam is the religion of peace, how come Sunnis and Shiites seem to have a distinct willingness to kill each other?

flashie: wine wasnt always forbidden, but was made so during muhammads prophecy as ppl started coming to the prayers drunk and talking bollocks. i think theres a part in the koran or good hadith about wine being fine but its bad outweighs its good. the wine described in the ghaib or unseen i.e. descriptions of heaven, hell etc apparently causes no hangover.

shiites to the best of my knowledge came after the orthadox sunni creed, they belived angel gabriel made a mistake and went to muhammad instead of his cuz ali, and the shiites have saints and pretty much worship ali - which totally goes against the concept of tawheed or not worshipping creation which all prophets from adam to muhammad came to teach. of course there are varying types of shiites, some acc to sunni scholars are still to be considered muslims but other groups are so much on a human being worship flex that their islam is negated.

flashie: the last ayah or sentence revealed to muhammad was allah saying 'This day have those who reject faith given up all hope of your religion: yet fear them not but fear Me. This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.'

i think if you ask anyone with good understanding of islam or classical arabic they'll tell you islam is derived from peace and submission.

peace of mind and soul by way of submitting yourself to the sunna or way, lifestyle of muhammadand his companions and a few generations afterward - before it all got phucked up and went mad.

god knows best

flashie: its not a religion of ass kissing and pacifism. its supposed to be love hope and fear of god, not just love and no fear like christianity preaches.

christianity preaches turn the other cheek among other things so why is it christian countries are so willing to spend years bombing civillians?

just a question

StuckInTheSixties: Pfft ...

I was just trying to Swan knees

StuckInTheSixties: But to answer your question, flashie:

Um ... do you remember a little war between Iraq and Iran? There was plenty of bombing in that war. Bombing, shelling, shooting, all that stuff.

Oh yeah, and poison gassing, too.

And Saddam didn't just bomb and gas Iran. He had a habit of bombing and gassing some of his own citizens, too, didn't he?

And there's plenty of bombing going on in the Sudanese Darfur right now too, isn't there? Hmm??? The Muslim government is arming and using various Arab ethnic groups to systematically wipe out black Africans in the south, aren't they? Systematically burning villages, starving them, killing the men, raping the women, poisoning the water sources ... there is a name for that activity, flashie. It's called genocide. And it's being practiced by an Islamic government.

But I think you are trying to allude to the fact that western planes bomb them, rather than vice-versa. It has as much to do with sociology and economics as with religion. Actually, religion does play a part, but not in the way you insinuate. Countries with Islamic populations, socially restrictive as they are, haven't been able to compete economically with Western countries for centuries. They've fallen behind economically, technologically, and just about every other way. Brain drain.

It's really quite simple. They're not bombing the west because their societies are too slow technologically to keep up. Do you really think that if the situation was reversed, some of those countries wouldn't bomb the west to oblivion?

Far be it for me to be defending Christianity. I have no use for that religion any more than any other. Nor am I defending every facet of US foreign policy. I have plenty of criticism for it.

It's just that your point, as usual, is just plain inaccurate and slanted.

snawani: Man bearing muslim name but will not fullfill wat islam orders according quran and hadiath can't be called as muslim.

StuckInTheSixties: Errr ... what?

flashie: 'But I think you are trying to allude to the fact that western planes bomb them, rather than vice-versa. It has as much to do with sociology and economics as with religion. Actually, religion does play a part, but not in the way you insinuate. Countries with Islamic populations, socially restrictive as they are, haven't been able to compete economically with Western countries for centuries. They've fallen behind economically, technologically, and just about every other way. Brain drain.'

flashie: 'It's really quite simple. They're not bombing the west because their societies are too slow technologically to keep up. Do you really think that if the situation was reversed, some of those countries wouldn't bomb the west to oblivion?

It's just that your point, as usual, is just plain inaccurate and slanted.'

to respond to our post Sits, in my usual contentious way just reverse what you said. id argue that your comments are slanted.

sure saddam used chemical weapons on his kurdish population and fought the iranian shia. question... who gave saddam chemical weapons? infact who first tested them in that part of the world? the west? never!

who put saddam and ayatollah in power? aswell as most of the nut job dictators in africa and even south america?

as for if the arabs were as advanced as the west *same applies to south america and africa* they would bomb us, i think youre being paranoid.

russia doesnt bomb the globe with its advanced war machine,it pretty much sticks to its own borders.


you still havet answered my question tho, arent christians supposed to be peace loving and turn the other cheek?

@swan

there are varied opinions of the islamic scholars on what negates a persons islam. i dont think blowing your own trumpet and being judge is a good look.

flashie: africa and south america is ruined but not because of militia with no technology.

again, i know i sound like a broken record- read john holdrens eco science, read how the cia took nazi scientists safely away for mkultra. thats genocide too

flashie: someone i work for on occasion is a freemason, he said himself to tell ppl here on wireclub 'the british freemasons are trying to kill as many muslims as possible'

another point worth mentioning is that anyone with a ounce of military strategic knowledge would tell you the best war is one that doesnt drain resource ie. if you can get ppl in slums killing each other or rather iran and iraq at war you can sit back and watch the carnage without spending money.

what it comes down to imo is this.

the companies that funded both sides of ww2 are now the same companies runing wall st. theyre not christian or muslim, theyre not much east or west or whats between. theyre globalist dynasties and theyre rubing their hands with glee i bet making money watching us all argue the toss, my culture/religion/whatever is better than yours. while iraqi civillians are murdered and suffer and at home we are just beginning to realise weve been robbed

StuckInTheSixties: Not surprisingly, you ask a question, and someone answers it in a way that refutes the point you were attempting to make, your response then is to deviate away from your original point and begin ranting about all sorts of unrelated or semi-related issues.

It's what you do.