what if was an athiest!!?? (Page 3)

Precious Pea: welll... if i was an athiest.. i would REPENT.. becasue.. i know.. i cannot save myself.. AND... I'd be going to hell without Jesus

we are created to BELIEVE in something

and God has inately created us to have FAITH.. its WHO we put OUR faith in, trust our faith in.. for me.. it would not be man. but a God that promises hope

nuts

Talent_M: "well i would say.. death is the only thing certain in this life..the end of humanity..someday will happen..a few more million years and humanity will evolve or become extinct..it's evolution at work for all species in this planet and humans are not excluded from this process.. "

WOW nice forecast .

xxzero: thanks..it's a logical forecast..

Talent_M: from your side

Talent_M: @ Icy
"In my reference to it I'm not stating an specific time in history but instead refer to the backwardness of such "dark age" era. "
well,that's fine it's your own definition,you can put it on any age you don't like,but not all religious ages are dark.

Talent_M: what does mean dark ages in religion? could you give an example except were in Europe?

xxzero: if you mean dark ages from a religious point of view..everything before the birth of the messiah for that religion it can be considered a dark age..

in fact dark ages is a definition created by religion..also know as the age of shadows..humans lived in darkness..incertain times..after the arrival of the messiah..everything becomes clear and the absolute truth is on the holy book..everything that humans ever need to know are in there..anyone that dares to question the absolute truth in the holy book.. are people from the dark age..atheists..evolutionists..etc..etc..

historians use mostly the term "dark ages" to define a time period without much written information..not only in europe but all over the world..for example..the fall of the maya empire or the birth of the kmher empire..there is not much historical or religious written information about those ancient empires..basically for historians it's a dark age..

Spellweaver: Judaism has experieced several dark ages; the first was the split between the cults of the northern and souther tribes of Israel in the beginning of Reabeam's reign 2900 years ago. Then came the 80 years of Babylonian exile in the 6th Century BC, before the religion was divided into three big and many snall sects 150 years before the birth of Jesus. But the darkest era must have been when the Romans destroyed the Temple of Jerusalem in AD 70 and the Jews were scattered all over the world.

Roman Christianity created its own dark era by persecuting all competition to the death; from the collapse of the Western Empire in the 5th Century until the Protestant Reformation in the 16th Century.

It seems like Islam is now experiencing its darkest moment since the Christian Reconquista deprived it of the Iberian Peninsula in 1492.

xxzero: under a historical perspective..i really can't see the iberian peninsula reconquista..as a dark age period..since there is plenty of information about the reconquest of the invaded territories..i would say it was more a heavy political and military defeat to islamic kingdoms..

also 1492 marks the fall of granada the last islamic kingdom in iberian peninsula..but since 1300 most of the peninsula were already controled by christian kings..if you have to pin point a year for the big fall of the islamic influence in the world..political..militar..economic..that would be the arrival of the portuguese in india in 1500 and the lost of all sea trade routes in asia for the portuguese a few years later..

chronology: @ Spellwheaver. Seems a little harsh to say Roman Christianity destroyed all other Religions. You may be able to correct me. The General Titus (future Roman Emperor) destroyed Jerusalem in A.D.70. However a more vigorous attempt was made to reorganise jerusalem was made by Hadrian in A.D.130 when he renamed Jerusalem Aelia Capitolina (a deliberately provocative naming of the City after Roman Gods). Hadrian also moved Roman Statues of it Gods into jerusalem (again another 'in your face' to the Jews who totally exasperated him in negotiations). The layout for the New City built on Jerusalem by Hadrian still stands to this day. Roman Districts are still the foundations for the present City there. Anyway, the conversion of Constantine to Christianity saw the new Emperor venerate the City as a Holy Place, Constantine gave the city a new lease on life. However Spellwheaver you may be able to correct me on facts here, please do so.

Spellweaver: It doesn't seem as if there is much to correct, since I think that you have covered the basics accurately.

Roman Christianity (the later Catholic Church) tried its best to exterminate all competition, but luckily, it didn't succeed. Judaism survived and so did a few other groups that called themselves Christian, like the Gnostics. And Rome never became close to extinguish Islam, although I'm sure that the various popes would have liked to.

Constantine probably never became a Christian in the modern sense of the word, since he was the high priest of Sol Invictus and was worshiped as a human incarnation of this god. But he gave Christianity equal rights in his empire and started the process that would eventually give this religion the upper hand.

He never went to Jerusalem himself, but instead sent his elderly mother Helena to the Holy City as his personal representative. She did a remarkable job locating literally dozens of what she thought of as holy places and relics, but unfortunately, this long and arduous trip had taken so much of her strength that she collapsed and died as soon as she had returned to Constantinople.

chronology: @ Spellwheaver. Thank you. Yes I read about Constantine's Mother visiting Jerusalem. She thought she found the true Cross of Jesus Christ there. Thank you for your insight.

Yahweh: the CROSS is a GRAVE marker ,so it qualifies as a 'GRAVEN IMAGE' , the Corpse of Jesus on a CROSS qualifies as worshiping a GRAVEN IMAGE and GOD worship ,also the cross with a corpse is a form of IDOL , the worship of GRAVEN IMAGES and IDOLS are both clearly condemned by your Creator . you actually belive that they found Jesus's cross out of the millions of crosses that were used during the time period ? Crucifixion was the mode of execution for all during the Biblical times .get a grip ,no one can say that the cross they have is that of Jesus .first one would have to prove that he existed at all first.

mongrel_pup: In the Middle Ages, there were so many "splinters from the True Cross" presented as holy relics around Christendom that if you glued them back together, they would make up a whole forest.

Of course, none of them could have stemmed from the cross of Jesus. I have read that the Romans put together their crosses from their tents' suport beams and reused them for that purpose later, because of the shortage of wood. In theory, one part of Jesus' cross could have ended its life in Spain and the other in Germany, who knows?