Question for Muslims (Page 2)

flashie:

what on earth are you on about?? the purpose of hijab is so women are seen as people not sxw objects, as our primal instincts dictate. the can i eat it? can i f#~* it? notion marries well with the logic behind hijab.

personally i think the porn industry does much more damage than islam has or does to women in general.

Summer: NKN, I also suspect many men to abuse their religion to supress their women; that is to use their faith as a cover to legitimize their actions and at the same time absolve themselves from a personal responsibility.

Without this religious loophole, I think more men would have been treating women more decently.

Lex Hardon: I think it should be up to the individual to decide what she wears. And it shouldnt be dictated by some ancient religious dogma.

Also the notion of a women, because she is wearing skimpy clothes is asking to be sexually abused is deeply wrong and troubling. Its upto the man to be able to control his sexual urges

flashie: You can tell us the reason why the jihadist on the entrance of heaven receives 40 girls that are virgin and every time they are f@$&~& they will regain their virginity. Tell me how could girls be a gift? And what a bout boys for women who conquer the gates of heaven? Or is it hard to find a virgin boy in the Muslim heaven.

^??? where does it say this? have you read this for yourself or did you get your sources from racist sms jokes?

flashie: thank you Summer

flashie: i cant disagree tony. but its norm in that culture, all religions do it id bet. and im sure you know mate that the girls only wear the veil out in the street, and wear whatever they want.

its no different to a conservative western fam not letting their daughter go out in hotpants i think.

the last g/f i had was very modestly dressed athiest girl, she never wore make up or showed her bod off unless we were out out. she was a right freak in the bedroom. i miss her. and respected her for not going everywhere dolled up like a b%@~& on heat. and i reciprocated that by not being like a dog with two dicks around swzw^ in bars.

Talent_M: "Its upto the man to be able to control his sexual urges "
do you konw...your statement has come upon the wound!,
find me an irreligious man can be patient against his sexual urges and if you found, tell me the reason then,secondly are we machines!!??
I don't understand really, as flashie said "what on earth are you on about"
actually you have to understand the equation properly,the women are half of the society,we are like the chain,by their righteousness,we are good,with their corruption, we are bad.

flashie:

Day to day, America eats it's young
And defeats our women
There is a gap so wide we all can swim in
Drown in (uh get down) an get it
Got it goin' on wit it
Sister (hey) soul sister
We goin' be all right
It takes a man to take a stand
Understand it takes a
Woman to make a stronger man
(As we both get strong)
They'll call me a crazy Asiatic
While I'm singin' a song
Oh my god, oh my lord
I can't hold back
But I get exact on a track
It's an eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth
Forget about me
Just set my sister free
R-e-s-p-e-c-t my siters, not my enemy
(Cause we'll be stronger together)
And make the suckers say
(Damn) this generation
They don't know what we got goin' is (sound)
To turn it all around
To my sisters I communicate
With the bass and tone
Thru speakers and the microphone
Cause I'm tired of America dissin' my sisters
(For example, like they dissed Tawana)
And they try to say she's a liar
My people don't believe it
But even now they're getting higher
Of the feeling inspiration
We must know that in this nation
Every single generation
(They teach us how to dis our sisters)
Stange as you say, I say revolution
Need for change brings on revolution
The great book just look see solution
God chooses who and what for the bruisin'
There's been no justice for none
Of my sisters
Just us been the ones that's been missin' her
Now we got to protect
We get together and damn this generation
I said so to what it is
Where it is
She needs a li'l respect
There it is
I say she needs a lotta
Brother from a mother like me has gotta
Give it up
Give it now
And pass it all around
To my soul (sister)
They disrespected mama and treated her like dirt
America took her, reshaped her, raped her
Nope, it never made the paper
Beat us, mated us
Made us attack our woman in black
So I said sophisticated B, don't be one
Not to head the warning c*#~* of dawn
Or is it the dawn of c^#$~?
Stop the talk they say, but
We talk and say whats right or wrong
Some say we wasting time singin' a song
But why is it that we're many different shades
Black woman's privacy invaded years and years
You cannot count my mama's tears
It's not the past but the future's
What she fears
Strong we be strong
The next generation
It's what not who we are facin'
The fingers pointed to us in our direction
The blind state of mind needs correction
Word to the mother we tighten connection
To be a man you need no election
This generation generates a new attitude
Sister to you we should not be rude
So we come together
And make 'em all say
Damn this generation

nkn: Talent m,Any action that goes downward is unfit for life.

flashie: ?

flashie: meanwhile...

nkn: flashie cling to the message and take rest.

Entropy: Since you all got on the topic of morality and Islam, check this out:



Toward the end, he lays into Islam in regard to women. His most important point, I think, was: women ought to wear whatever they want, but what does 'voluntary' mean in a society where there are immediate punishments if a person doesn't conform to its expectations? We shouldn't be so quick to just take a Muslim woman's word for it in these kinds of conditions... especially when it's 120 degrees outside and she is wearing a full Burkah.

Malone: Of course everybody should be allowed to dress in public as they please as long as it is decent. Any religion enforcing an oppressive dress code based on irrational arguments should be outlawed!

Gygaxx: Well, at least one government seems to be taking appropriate action here...

Women will be fined 700 Euros for wearing a burka if a new law is passed in France. Then, it will be illegal for people to cover their faces in public. Anyone not paying the fine would be subject to arrest and imprisonment.

I'd like to see more countries follow suit!

CandyRivers: When you men have finished discussing how women should be treated, try asking us what we think about it.

Entropy: Gygaxx, even though I personally enjoy France's proposed law, I have to disagree with it on principal. I have met many women in America who chose to wear the burka because they view it as a symbol of their faith. Of course, in America it is a choice, so I think their reasons for dawning one are much different here as opposed to Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc. If France feels they can fine a woman for wearing a burka, they should also fine priests for wearing funny hats, Jews for wearing caps, etc.

flashie: so much to do so little time.

so were moving on to enforced non wearing of 'enforced' wearing by these evil religious mans.

??

its CULTURE hard to grasp for some of you maybe. christians jews muslims and every cult going that lives or lived there wear it.

yes in 120 degree heat. maybe we should write to some arabs and suggest speedos and bikinis. how primative of them to have overlooked our great western wisdom.

this thread is very dry phobic long waste

flashie: lets ban eating meat globally

flashie: i hope the info at the beginning of this thread went some way to answer your question entro

Entropy: To say it's merely a cultural difference is a cop-out of moral responsibility. Even if it is cultural, forced compliance is WRONG. If we let cultures continue with their inhumane practices, humanity will never progress in a positive way.

Yes, the verses were helpful, thank you.

Lex Hardon: At the end of the day i dont care if muslims want to dress their women in tarpaulins and worship moon rocks as long as they dont force their unsupported beliefs on me. Im happy to be living in the free modern world. People who want to live their lives according to an ancient book written by a backwards thinking desert dwelling tribe, may i suggest going to live in Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia where the lifestyle may be more to ur liking.

I also think most muslim men are absolutely terrified of women, and strive to keep them oppressed for this reason.

flashie: i recognise your concern entro and applaud you for wishing fellow humans well. im just naturally turned off by global dictate anything knowing how corrupt the world is.

and yes, i agree with you tony minus the go back to africa comment at the end.

flashie: i think human progress is hindered by eugenics.

youre an evolutionist? isnt it better we just evolve organically?

im just saying theres probly well meaning muslim folk who want to emancipate us westerners from the shackles of lady gaga rotting our i.q.

i think we need to sort our own shit out and let others do theirs

Lex Hardon: 'i agree with you tony minus the go back to africa comment at the end.'

oh yeah, i forget Libya and Algeria. But please dont confuse religion with issues of race. Just saying that maybe Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia may be more accomodating to people who want to live a certain lifestyle. If you dont agree with a countries traditions and way of life find a place that is more suitable. I believe, that being a citizen of a country is a privilege and not a right.
Take me for example, i grew to resent the UK, hating the weather, politics and the miserable c**ts who make up the majority of the population, so decided to live elsewhere.