More catholic skullduggery..

♠_Krash_♠: Child s#$ scandals embroiling the Roman Catholic church spread to Brazil on Tuesday after the Vatican said three priests were under investigation following allegations of child abuse.

The Vatican's acknowledgment takes controversies that have rocked the church in the United States and more recently in Europe to the country with the largest Catholic population in world. About 74 per cent of Brazil's 140 million people identify as Catholics.

SBT television last week aired video from a hidden camera showing father Marques Barbosa, 82, having s#^ with a 15-year-old boy in the northeastern state of Alagoas.

After the act, the priest's face is identified as he looks toward the camera and says "Who's there?" "Who is it?"
The report on the program Conexao Reporter also included charges by three former altar boys that they too had been sexually abused by local priests.

After the show was aired, Alagoas bishop Valerio Breda ordered the removal from church work of priests Luiz Marques Barbosa, Edilson Duarte and Raimundo Gomes.

"One was removed from his parish and faces charges in the civil justice system," Vatican spokesman Federico Lombardi told AFP, adding that the other two had been suspended from their duties pending an investigation.

Graphic video of Marques Barbosa's abuse last year with a victim identified as Fabiano is being sold on the streets of the town of Arapiraca, website Alagoas 24 horas reported.

Elsewhere in Latin America, a Spanish religious instructor was reported to have been jailed in Chile for possession of pornographic images of children.

A prosecutor said the priest, Jose Arregui, 53, would be tried for child pornography possession on March 24, the newspaper La Tercera's website reported.
Paedophile priest scandals have rocked several churches in Europe since the Irish government released two explosive reports in November.

Revelations followed in Switzerland, The Netherlands, Austria and Germany - the homeland of Pope Benedict XVI.

Both the pope and his older brother Georg Ratzinger were caught up in the spiralling scandal in Germany.

The pope's former diocese of Munich confirmed a report that, as Archbishop Joseph Ratzinger in 1980, he had approved housing so that a known paedophile priest could seek therapy, while Georg directed a boys choir whose members later suffered abuse.

Vatican spokesman Lombardi charged at the weekend that there had been a "dogged focus" on the Ratzinger brothers in a bid "to personally implicate the Holy Father in questions of abuse."

"It is clear that these efforts have failed," he added.

- AAP

eternal_peace: It is a sad that this type of behaviour goes on.
It doesn't just happen in the catholic churches though...there were cases a few years back over a salvation army chaplain.

In every walk of life there are going to be those sick and twisted souls who believe that it is okay to take away a childs innocence.

john1576: Krash. I know you have a pathological hatred of the Catholic church, you only have to read your past Posts to see that. What I cannot understand is why you stoop to the lowest level of MaCarthiet Mud Slinging to attack Catholic Clergy with. Your Posts show, not an emotional outrage, but a chosen pattern of attacking the Clergy. Like we agreed before, there are child molesting bus drivers, policemen, security guards, teachers, politicians, etc etc. But you constantly harp on about the tiny minority of priests who have fallen below the high standard expected of them.

♠_Krash_♠: Tiny minority john??

Again john,name me 1 non religous organization that that has the sheer numbers this these scum are producing..

The federal police here in oz and their equivalent in germany both fear that the worlds largest peodophile ring is operating within the catholic church...

The numbers im producing back up that fear...and remember john less than 20% of victims ever come forward,so from just the numbers i have shown now and previously,its running into thousands of victims...

john1576: Am sorry Krash, but this whole 'Paedophile' hysteria just sound like a re-run of the Stalin 'Treason Trials' and Joe McCarthy Witch Hunts. It is worth keeping in mind that Hitler came to power on the back of an anti-child molester vote. The 'scandal' turned many Catholic voters in Germany to vote NAZI even tho they normally would not have been inclined to vote that way.

♠_Krash_♠: No hysteria here john,its common knowledge about whats going on in the catholic church,and as the authorities have said themselves,they have only scratched the surface..

Here's a snippet from a report done by the irish government..( i will find the report and post it in its entirety at a later date)

Three Irish government-ordered investigations — into the Dublin Archdiocese, the southeast Irish diocese of Ferns, and a defunct network of Catholic workhouse-style schools for poor children — have documented a shocking catalog of child abuse and church cover-ups from the 1930s to 1990s involving more than 15,000 children.


(so much for a tiny monority john,and this is only the tip of the iceberg,when the authorities get for real with the catholic problem,then you will see some hysteria)

john1576: Krash. Let's look at the numbers you raise. For even one child to be molested is unexceptable, but we live in a world where 1 in 10 children will be molested at some point in their lives (U.K. charity figures). You give the figure of 15000 children abused from 1930 to 1990 in Ireland. That works out at 250 a year. Ireland is mostly Roman Catholic, so you are talking about virtually the entire population. 250 cases a year? in a entire nation? shocking yes, but statistically no worse than anywhere else in the world. It is this fixation with linking Catholicism with paedophilia that you have which some folks would find objectionable.

♠_Krash_♠: pfftt john

Again give me another organization on this planet with such a systematic problem as this one,and i'll post on them..(i dont discriminate)

This is a problem that has been in this religion and has been known about for decades,and is not just contained to ireland (and these are only the cases they know of in ireland,they are still investigating,theres a lot more to come,i assure you),there are just more and more reports filing in all the time about catholic church abuses..

Any catholics here can feel free to debate me on this,if they find it offensive..

eternal_peace: I come from a Catholic family and attend my local parish each week. I have met many priests and have found none of them - even as a child - to have even thought of doing such things as you speak of.
Like I said before it's not just the Catholic church where this is happening.....it's everywhere.

♠_Krash_♠: Yes for the hundreth time i know it happens everywhere..

But what it doesnt do, like the catholic church,is happen widespread in an organisation basically in every country it has a foothold in..

For example - Could you imagine a company like microsoft,who has multiple bases worldwide,what would happen to them if they had the catholic churches problems and methods of response to those problems..

Imagine a company where there are 10's of thousands of victims with the number ever increasing,and their attitude to the problem is to cover up,pay off and not even sack or name the individuals responsible..

How long would such an organization last?

Honestly...come on..how long?

People should be screaming for answers,demanding them...not just blaming the problem on ...oh it happens everywhere and they aren't all doing it...

john1576: Krash, you say; 'what organisation, everywhere it goes engages in child s*~ etc'. Again Krash, you are letting your hatred of the Catholic church blind you to objectivity. Look, here in England there used to be an epidemic of Homosexuality among Public school boys, why? because they were 'Genetically Gay'? No because in the 19th century it was common practice for Public Schools to have 4 or more boys sleeping in a bed together in Public schools. Today most Public schools boys would be as inclined or not to being Gay about as much as any other kid in the world, the reason for the change being most young Toffs now have their own bed at school. In the 19th century unwanted kids were dumped into workhouses in large numbers with little protection from perverts, what do you expect to happen? that is not a 'Catholic' problem, it is good old 'Human Nature'.

catnorth: gayness caused by bed sharing - wow, thats a new one.
lol what an idiot.
There was me thinking it was a genetic predisposition or by hormonal factors in utero.

Spirit One:

♠_Krash_♠: John you really should think before you write sometimes..

Only you could know what teenage homosexuality has to do with this thread,how you can compare it to institutionalised systematic child abuse,i'll never know..

john1576: Krash, it was simply to show that at times society creats situations such as Public schools with crowded dormatories, and childrens homes with a culture of neglect. How you can blame a Church for this I will never know.

♠_Krash_♠: John go and read the irish governments report on the matter,then get back to me..

People within in the catholic hierachy knew what was going on for decades,yet did absolutely nothing about it..

Who would you like to blame john?

The victims?

john1576: Krash, you just will not give up on this. Ireland is a complex situation. There has always been a climate of secrecy among the Irish. Why this should persist after they gained Independence I do not know, but no, it does not surprise me Irish folks were secretive about these matters. No it does not surprise me they kept it from the authorities, and no I definitely do not blame the victims.

♠_Krash_♠: The simple fact is john....the catholic *leaders* in that country had to of known what was going on there,especially when they were handing out hush money,and their bosses in the vatican would of known because we all answer to someone higher than ourselves in this world..

Ingnorance is not a defense when it come to child abuse..

♠_Krash_♠: Was on the news here tonight how the vatican apologised (belatedly) for the treachery in ireland,not surprising,the victims think very little of it..

The victims are now partitioning for a criminal investigation into the catholic church...Hopefully there's such a thing as justice for the victims..

The irish government owes it to the victims,reguardless of the damage it does to the catholic church..

♠_Krash_♠: In his weekly address to pilgrims in St Peter’s Square, the Pope chose not to mention his apology for child sy# abuse by priests in Ireland.

Bishops have praised the missive as courageous, but many victims say it does not go far enough in terms of transparency and accountability.

The Pope’s pastoral letter was read out during Mass to Catholics across Ireland.

“I don’t think the Pope has done enough,” said one man. “We still have our cardinals in office in Ireland, and they’re the men, the older cardinals. They’re the ones who had the problem and pushed it under the carpet.”

Another added: “It’s far too late to be coming out with a letter like this. It should have actually come out a long time ago. It’s not like this is news about the Irish church in 2010.”

Meanwhile, the leader of the Catholic Church in Germany is the latest to confirm reports that he failed to turn in an abuse suspect in the early 1990s.

Also, the Swiss Catholic Church is investigating around ten allegations of abuse by clergy.

Observers say each new revelation will put more pressure on Rome to undertake the painful reforms it clearly wants to avoid.

Copyright © 2010 euronews

Surprise,surprise now there's a swiss problem

satangel: Yesterday, another leak reached my big and curious ears...

It turnes out that once again, the past has bitten old Benny in the butt! 30 years ago, a priest under his command had to undergo a mental evaluation after child abuse allegations. The treating psychiatrist concluded that the guy was unfit to work with children, while Benny refused to listen to this advice from a behaviour expert and reinstated the priest. We can only speculate on what has happened throughout the years...

Lex Hardon: The Pope should be in a police station now answering questions as to why he decided to cover up one of the biggest pedophilia rings in the world.

satangel: As I listen to BBC World while doing some Internet research [Yes, I am actually capable of doing two things at the same time!], one of the headlines is about an Irish bishop resigning as a result of allegations that he has sheltered abusers in his fold.

I fear that this is just the tip of the iceberg and that the whole hierarchical structure of the Catholic Church is starting to collapse as a growing number of their members either turn out to be molesters or having known about colleagues' misdeeds and covered them up, which is almost as bad. Are these sins forgivable, one might ask? I have no answer, because since I left the Church [not as a result of abuse allegations, but over doctrinal conflicts!], the concept of sin no longer has any significance to me.

♠_Krash_♠: The catholic church preaches to do no evil,even for a good purpose..

Which begs the question...why are they doing what their doing?

Makes 1 think (with due right) maybe their not in it for god,which begs a rather obvious question which i will leave for another time..

Lex Hardon: Afterall, the catholic church's slogan is 'leave no childs behind!'

Spirit One: what about the GAY prostitution ring ,it seems one of Pope Benedict's ceremonial ushers and a member of an elite choir in St Peter's Basilica have been implicated in a GAY prostetution ring ,in the latest sexual scandal to rock the Vatican .

SOURCE :KY Daily News.com Friday March 8th 2010 1:49 PM