The Man who Challenged the Quran!!!!!

Talent_M: Gary Miller

In 1977, Professor Gary Miller, the active Canadian preacher and mathematics and logic lecturer at Toronto University, decided to provide a great service to Christianity through exposing scientific and historical errors in the Noble Quran in such a way that would be beneficial to him and his fellow preachers in calling Muslims to Christianity. However, the result was completely to the contrary. Miller's writings were fair and his study and comments were positive, even better than many Muslims would write about the Noble Quran. He considered the Noble Quran, as it should be and reached the conclusion that it cannot be a work of a human being.

The first surprising issue for Professor Miller was the challenging tone in many ayahs1 such as the ayahs that can be translated as “Will they not then contemplate the Quran? And if it had been from (anywhere) other than the Providence of Allah, indeed they would have found in it many difference (s).” (TMQ2 4:82) and “And in case you are suspicious (Literally: in suspicion) about what We have been sending down upon Our bondman, (i.e., the prophet. A bondman or slave is the highest title conferred by Allah upon his chosen men) then come up with a surah of like (manner), and invoke your witnesses, apart from Allah, in case you are sincere.” (TMQ 2:23) Although Professor Miller was challenging at the beginning he ended astonished at what he found.

Talent_M: The following are some of the points he mentioned in Miller’s lecture The Amazing Quran3 :
There is no such author who writes a book and then challenges others that this book is errorless. As for the Noble Quran, it is the other way round. It tells the reader that there are no errors in it and then challenges all people to find any, if any.
The Noble Quran does not mention the hard events in Prophet Muhammad's (SAWS)4 personal life, such as the death of his dear wife Lady Khadijah (RA)5 , death of his daughters and sons. Strangely enough, the ayahs that were revealed as a comment on some of the setbacks proclaimed victory while those revealed at time of victory warned against arrogance and called for more sacrifices and efforts. If one writes his own autobiography, he would magnify the victories and justify the defeats. The Noble Quran did the opposite and this is consistent and logical: it was not a history of a specific period but rather a text that sets general rules for the relationship between Allah (SWT)6 and worshippers.



Miller thought about a particular ayah that can be translated as “Say, “Surely I admonish you with one (thing) only, that you rise up to Allah by twos and singly; thereafter meditate: in no way is there any madness in your Companion. Decidedly he is nothing except a constant warner to you, before (Literally: between the hands of) a strict torment.” (TMQ 34:46) He indicated the experiments one researcher had carried out at Toronto University on “Effectiveness of Collective Discussion”. The researcher had gathered different numbers of interlocutors in discussions and compared results. He discovered that the maximum efficiency of the discussion was achieved when the interlocutors were two while the more the number the less the efficiency.


There is a surah7 in the Noble Quran called Maryam (Mary) in which Lady Maryam (AS)8 is eulogized in a way not even found in the Bible. At the same time, there is no surah in the name of Lady Aisha (RA) or Lady Fatimah (RA). The name of prophet Isa (AS) (Jesus) is mentioned 25 times in the Noble Qur’an while the name of Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) is mentioned only five times.


Some attackers say that devils used to dictate to Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) what to write in the Noble Quran. But the question is how could this be while it contains ayahs that can be translated as “And in no way have Ash-Shayatîn (The ever-Vicious (ones), i.e., the devils) been coming down with it; And in no way does it behoove them, And in no way are they able to do (that).” (TMQ 29:*******) and “So when you read the Quran, then seek refuge in Allah from the outcast Shaytan (The all-vicious, i.e., the Devil).” (TMQ 16:98)

If you were in the situation of the Prophet (SAWS) while he and Abu-Bakr (RA) were inside the Cave of Hira’9 surrounded by the unbelievers who could have seen them if they had looked down. The human reaction would be to search for a back exit or some other way out or to shush in order not to be heard. However, the Prophet (SAWS) told Abu-Bakr (RA) “Grieve not; surely Allah is with us.” (TMQ 9:40). This is not the mentality of a deceiver; it is the mentality of a prophet who has the confidence that Allah (SWT) would surely take care of him.

Talent_M: Surat al-Masad (Palm Fibres)10 was revealed ten years before the death of Abu-Lahab, the Prophet's (SAWS) uncle. He had ten complete years to prove that the Noble Quran was wrong. However, he did not believe or even pretend to believe. How could the Prophet (SAWS) be that confident unless he was sure that the Noble Quran was Allah’s (SWT) revelation?


Commenting on the ayah that can be translated as “That is of the tidings of the Unseen that We reveal to you; in no way did you (yourself) know it, neither your people, even before this. So (endure) patiently; surely the (fair) end is for the pious.” (TMQ: 11:49) Miller writes that none of the Scriptures uses this kind of style; that is, giving the reader the piece of information and then tells him it is new information. It is really a unique challenge. What if the people of Makkah, even by pretence, had said they knew that before? What if one scholar discovered later that this information was already known before? However, this did not happen.


Professor Miller mentioned what Contemporary Catholic Encyclopedia includes under the entry 'Quran'. It mentions that despite the plethora of studies, theories, and attempts to attack the veracity of Quranic revelation under many pretexts none of them can be logically adopted. The Church itself did not dare to adopt any of such theories but at the same time it did not admit the truthfulness of the Muslims' theory that the Noble Quran is, without doubt, the last heavenly revelation.




In fact, Professor Miller was fair enough and was honest enough to change his position and choose the right way. Blessed be he and those who search for truth and do not allow their prejudices to prevent them from reaching it.

Final Comment
In 1977, Professor Miller had a famous debate with Islamic preacher Ahmad Deedat. His logic was clear and his justifications seemed based on intent to reach the truth without pride or prejudice. Many wished at the time that this man would embrace Islam.

In 1978 Professor Miller embraced Islam and called himself Abdul-Ahad11 . He worked for some years at Oil and Minerals University in Saudi Arabia and then devoted his life to da'wa12 through TV programs and public lectures.

Just think and do not let your prejudices prevent you from the right path.


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1-A verse in the Quran.
2- Translation of the Meaning of the Quran. This translation is for the realized meaning, so far, of the stated (Surah: Ayah) of the Quran. Reading the translated meaning of the Quran can never replace reading it in Arabic, the language in which it was revealed.
3- It is a small tract of about 25 pages but a very thick one indeed.
4- Salla Allah alayhe Wa Salam [All Prayers and Peace of Allah be upon him].
5- Radya Allah anhu/anha [May Allah be pleased with him/her].
6- Suhanahu wa Ta'ala [Glorified and Exalted Be He].
7- A chapter; the Qur’an is comprised of 114 surahs.
8- Alayhe (alayha) as-salam [All Peace of Allah be upon him/her].
9- This was during the hejira to al-Madinah. The Cave of Hira' is in the Mount an-Nour. It is only two miles from Makkah, a small cave 4 yards long and 1.75 yard wide.
10- It can be translated as “Would the hands of Abu Lahab be cut up, (i.e., perish) and would he be cut up (too)! In no way did his wealth avail him, neither whatever he earned; He will roast at a flaming Fire, (Literally: fire comprising flame). And his wife, the constant bearer of firewood, Upon her (long) neck she will have a rope of palm-fibers.” (TMQ: 111:1-5)
11- This name literally means 'Worshipper of the Only One.'
12- Islamic call.

john1576: I saw Elvis reading the Quran last week.

flashie: you can add jimmy swaggart to the list of ppl but he dont really count

risen: oh Jesus not Jesus is he doing it too jesus cant read the quran

flashie: mkay

franklin1950: without questioning the truth of the word there remains differences of interpetation . [ understanding ]
some would manipulate the word to suit them selves so as to manipulate those that love the word .
this type of distortion tactic has been used through out history and is not unique to any particular culture or belief .
in these current historical times ... one group comes to mind .

flashie: no one has a scooby doo. we only know bollocks lol.

do we?

flashie:

HaveItsThunder: tl;dr

Talent_M:

see all his videos on youtube if you would like.

oh_good_laughs: Talent - Saying this man (Gary Miller) converted from Christianity to Islam could go both ways. If you research it, you will find many Muslims convert to Christianity, for different reasons.


One reason (that i have read) is, they become astounded, that God loves them that much, that Jesus loves them that much. That this 'creator' cares for them so much, he allowed a way of forgiveness, a reconciliation.

bossin: Consider this: If the challenge of the Quran was/ had been defeated, wouldn't Islam have been a hoax religion? So far nobody has been able to take on this challenge without failure.

The message of the Quran is CLEAR. Worship ONE God (the creator of the universe). This is the same God Adam/Eve, and all the prophets (Noah, Ishmael, Abraham, Jesus, Mohammed (sws))ever sent to mankind for guidance worshiped.

ISLAM, the definition of which is "worship god alone" is that same religon ALLLL of the prophets practiced. Every nation had a guider akarophet, and today Mohammed (sws) is the prophet to us all.

You want evidence? Read the Quran, a true masterpiece and living miracle.

Talent_M: sorry Risen I think the head title was so clear, actually if I would post convertion to Islam videos, might be more than 1000 vedios, if I meant that really, there is more than 20 people men and women old and young converted to islam once in one video, which is better this vedio or Dr. Miller?, O risen my post was about that nobody could challenged the Quran either in the present age, in same time Dr.Miller was professor in Math so his challenge was scientifically also.

928 as the mack: The book seems to be nothing but a book in my truth, I mean it's just a point of view that the the muslims take to an extreme agreement with them selves.

The book is a mere symbol to domesticate people in a dream witch in there own self given reality of what they think is literally the truth.

the book appears to put a label on people who are different , sin or even both, I mean what gives a book the rite to label anyone, it dosn't , the book puts a self projection on it's self ,that makes book have a flaw of it's own.

If the book says that the only people to be saved are the one's who don't sin and are of what in there minds is as holy , then yet again there is a lie in the book.

I mean look at what the book has put upon the people of mid east, it put a symbol in there head , and if they do a suicide bombing or kill people who are considerd infodels , then the reword is paradise , that sort of thinking is a fear based one, fear of not getting rewarded because a book said it.

so my conclusion has came to an agreement that the book will always be apart of someone's domestication of there reality.

so no matter how many times anyone says that there book is truth, there still not going to convince to agree with it.

oh_good_laughs: Talent/Muslims - The thing about the Quaran is, there IS nothing really open for examination, nothing to be 'confirmed' or tested.


For instance, i could make a book today. I could throw a god in it somewhere, while keeping it simple. A simple and vague beginning, a simple creation, and so forth. I would make sure i was the only one to write in this book. So now, here is a religious book from one man (that is claimed to be inspired by some god). It has only one author (which is confirmed). Nobody can find "faults" in this religion, so therefore, it is true, right?


This seems to be the argument. Mohammed was a man who claimed to be a man of God following the Bible's prophets.. But, none of the prophets in the Bible acknowledge Mohammed, if one believes Jesus, then all is finished at the cross.

flashie: doesnt it say in the bible old testament i think after moses another will come, like him?

flashie: btw are you referring to richard dawkins risen?

flashie: zoro. maybe youre too busy or not interested but id bet you havent read the book youre talking about?

im interested in the science and how it compares with our new religion of science.

the koran talks lots about the development of the fetus, mountains as pegs or stakes holding the tectonic plates down, the earth is a globe (wow!) navigate using stars, plants orbit etc etc.

all tangible relevant to the current zeitgeist. its interesting thats all.

oh_good_laughs: No flashie, i never heard of him. I was only going off of what i've learned from reading parts of the Quaran, a book called "the Answer book", and talking to different Muslims.

Talent_M: "For instance, i could make a book today. I could throw a god in it somewhere, while keeping it simple. A simple and vague beginning, a simple creation, and so forth. I would make sure i was the only one to write in this book. So now, here is a religious book from one man (that is claimed to be inspired by some god). It has only one author (which is confirmed). Nobody can find "faults" in this religion, so therefore, it is true, right? "

not true , u can't, who would follow you just the idiots, u know why? cos you are a man , man's scripture so normal and has many errors and the lies would be so clear, so that there is a challenge in Quran for all people if they can bring up just 10 verses similar to it, o man where are talking about facts not lies.

I will show you many examples if you would like.

john1576: Talent. I really do not think you could make up a story like the Jesus. Let's see. After a short career as a religious teacher and social critic, Jesus is turned upon by cynical self serving Religious leaders. The Romans tried to free Him after finding nothing wrong with Him. However most of the Town He is held in threatens to riot. Jesus's friends all desert Him, His best friend disowns Him, His own secretary sold Him out for what amounted to a few hundred dollars, He was then executed despite Roman efforts to free Him. The story should end there. Without Jesus the movement He started was dead in the water. But then this Jesus returns from the dead and inspires His followers to return to their faith and send out missionaries. That is such a way out story, it seems hard to imagine anyone then could make it up. Personally, I believe it is true.

928 as the mack: That's very true , I havn't read the book at all, but as I was saying , the book is just a point of view , like what you just told me, you beleve in it's message that is tells you about science and other stuff that you found out about.

And then in the case , all the extremist muslims of the faith should really be scientist , and stop there foolish extremist behavior of they in there minds is truth.

Talent_M: "Talent. I really do not think you could make up a story like the Jesus"
John I havn't said that Bible had came from nothing, I know Jesus(pbuh) was true man has a message, but I replied on risen that can not write a book based on nothing just empty scripture,Bible has an origin but not same as present,I mean the Bible distorted over time,but the Quran has not been changed either one letter or written by somebody, here is challenge,
by the way somebody says
"some would manipulate the word to suit them selves so as to manipulate those that love the word .
this type of distortion tactic has been used through out history and is not unique to any particular culture or belief "

the Quran is clear that anyone can understand it,either if some would manipulate the word to suit them selves, they can't, cause already the Quran has an explanation like a COMMENTARY which is the "Sunna" (Mohammed's sayings and doings) which are documented, so every verse in Quran has a history.
secondly it had been mentioned in the Quran many things during Mohammed's(pbuh) age we have dicovered scientifically today, tell me who was scientist with our technology today at that time!!???

oh_good_laughs: Talent - As a Muslim, that's all you have left to hope for, that Jesus didn't die for our sins, because (in your mind), Mohammad cannot be wrong.

As i have said before, i am sure the Bible seen small alterations, due to the copying process before the printing press, but nothing significantly changing the meaning of the passage. Nothing taking away from Christ, and his perfect sacrifice.

But, i also understand you haft to believe the Bible has been "changed beyond belief" in order to keep Mohammad's story straight. You have overlooked a probable perspective (on the Bible) to hold your own.