Native Americans Are Not Your Sports Mascot!!! tmfx47: Why does the NFL and schools think that they get to have native american sports mascots? This is racism against native americans. We are not your mascot. tmfx47: We have teams that are called the Redskins. Everybody shows up to the game and paints their faces red. However, we do not have teams called the Whiteskins or the Blackskins. Nobody is painting their face black or white.  lori100: redskin - Oxford Dictionaries-------- www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/.../redskin---------------------Usage Redskin is first recorded in the late 17th century and was applied to the Algonquian peoples generally, but specifically to the Delaware (who lived in what is now southern New York State and New York City, New Jersey, and eastern Pennsylvania). Redskin referred not to the natural skin color of the Delaware, but to their use of vermilion face paint and body paint. In time, however, through a process that in linguistics is called pejoration, by which a neutral term acquires an unfavorable connotation or denotation, redskin lost its neutral, accurate descriptive sense and became a term of disparagement. Red man is first recorded in the early 17th century and was originally neutral in tone. Red Indian is first recorded in the early 19th century and was used by the British, far more than by Americans, to distinguish the Indians of the subcontinent from the Indians of the Americas. -----Vermillion is an alternative spelling for vermilion, a red pigment and color.---------------------so, it originally derived from the use of red face and body paint, and later was deemed negative...........sports teams usually use some brave, fierce, intimidating symbols as a theme and mascot, face and body painting was to cause shock and fear in face to face combat giving that person an advantage over the other...----------Native American Face Paint; Customs, Colors, Designs ... anthropologylover.wordpress-------.Ceremonial paint was also used to hide ones identity, as well as to obtain power from the creature or spirit represented. ( Lewis, 2009) Colored paints were used for decoration and ornamentation, but most importantly for spiritual power, and “at times constituting a prayer to a super natural being.” (Densmore, 2006) The design and color of face paint was an individual choice, chosen to “harmonize with the individual’s attire, purpose, dreams, or visions.” (Densmore, 2006) Face paint was also used to intimidate an adversary, such as when Tecumseh and his warriors met with William Henry Harrison, the warriors were all wearing war face paint, which undoubtedly struck fear amongst the US soldiers who witnessed the event. (Edited by lori100) lori100: Wikipedia------Some tribal team names have been approved by the tribe in question, such as the Seminole Tribe of Florida's approving use of their name for the teams of Florida State University tmfx47: I see you are very smart. Yes some sports fans do paint their faces black or white. They also paint their faces blue, yellow and all other colors. However, they are not painting their faces white so they will look like a white person. They are not painting their faces black, so they will look like a black person. This video is about the Rangers. It is not about any race. A ranger is a name of a profession. It is similar to police officer or troop. I feel that it is very racist to call your team the Redskins. We have the NFL team called the Washington Redskins. We have the high school team from Michigan called the Belding Redskins. tmfx47: Many of the teams do have approval of the tribes. However, the mascot it still racist. Like you said many teams use a brave or some fierce intimidating symbol. Go to this address to see the Florida State University mascot http://images.picturesdepot.com/photo/f/florida_state_mascot-9682.jpg As you can see this is a picture of a fierce intimidating brave. This mascot is racist. It dehumanizes the Seminoles. It causes people to think of them as being a bunch of blood thirsty savages. The Cleveland Indians is a native american mascot. Their mascot is not war like. You can go to this address to see their mascot. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/52/Cleveland_Indians_logo.svg/791px-Cleveland_Indians_logo.svg.png This is a better mascot and does not cause as much racism. Central Michigan University's mascot is the Chippewas. They used to display an arrow on their helmet.This arrow on the helmet caused people to think that all American Indians are shooting arrows at them. This arrow was very racist and it was removed. Now, there is a big C on the helmet. Sports teams are labeling American Indians as being mean intimidating blood thirsty warriors. This is not true at all. Not all American Indians are mean intimidating blood thirsty warriors. lori100: Of course they're not blood thirsty....many fought bravely protecting their land and families  jager21: I'm of Irish heritage, I find it a honor to have a team named, notre dame fighting Irish, just like North dakota fighting Sioux. On St. Patrick's day many of people dress up in green and wear "Irish objects" just like painting your face red. It's kinda the same thing tmfx47: The Irish wearing green is not just like painting your face red. Painting your face red is making fun of Native Americans. When we go to a Notre Dame football game people wear Green because green is a national color of Ireland. This just like people wearing red, white and blue for the 4th of July. Red White and Blue are national colors. These colors have nothing to do with race. tmfx47: Most Irish people are white. At the Notre Dame football games, people do not paint their faces white. Notre Dame fans are not making fun of the Irish for being white. When there is as native american mascot, why do we make fun of native Americans. Why are most Native Mascots mean and intimidating? tmfx47: To this day, I have not seen any sports teams called the Blackskins(they would dress in traditional tribal dress with spears) or Whiteskins.(dressed like a trojan or spartan). It is unfair to label the Native American race as being mean intimidating warriors. We are not labeling African Americans or Caucasians as being mean and intimidating.  LiptonCambell: Some excellent points being raised by both sides of the argument here.....I don't agree or disagree with anyone on here....just to address a few comments... >>>This is racism against native americans. We are not your mascot. Are the Dallas Cowboys racism against caucasians? >>>However, they are not painting their faces white so they will look like a white person. Excellent point, but I don't think they're painting their faces red to look like a native american- they do it for the same reasons other people paint their faces blue, green, or white- because red is the teams colours. I once painted my face orange in support of Netherlands(no, I'm not dutch- it was to impress a girl)- does that mean I was trying to 'look' dutch? I think your premise is faulty on this.... >>>Notre Dame fans are not making fun of the Irish for being white. When there is as native american mascot, why do we make fun of native Americans. I do not believe that these teams are 'making fun' of anyone by using their mascots. The Anaheim Ducks are not named as such because they think ducks are stupid. The Dallas Cowboys are not named as such because they want people to laugh at Cowboys. France in the 2014 World Cup made video game character Rayman their mascot. Is this because they think video game characters are stupid? Again, I think you're using a faulty premise here... >>>This just like people wearing red, white and blue for the 4th of July. Red White and Blue are national colors. These colors have nothing to do with race. Are you aware of the implications of using terms, which you believe to be true, literally? You believe the redskins is racist, not because red is the colour of their team, but because you believe native Americans ARE skinned red. I agree- the term 'redskin' is an offensive one, and a racist one- but to say that people who paint their faces with the colour of a team are trying to 'look' native, that IS equally racist. It pre-supposes the idea that native Americans ARE red-skinned, and anyone who paints their face, even ones who have no beef with natives, no intent to harm or offend, and have the same motivation as anyone else who supports their teams- from the Fighting Irish painting their faces green, to the Cowboys painting their faces blue, are racist. Personally, I think your time would be better off fighting real racism. Not people who support their local NFL team. These are not acts of racism. >>>dressed like a trojan or spartan. Uhhh....what about the michgan state Spartans? It's a pretty generic team name.....the Ottawa Senators mascot is clearly a spartan....is that mascot racist? Is it making fun of white people? >>>We are not labeling African Americans or Caucasians as being mean and intimidating. Again, we have ; Notre Dame Fighting Irish( a predominately white nation(Ireland), presented as mean and intimidating white Irishman) Oakland Raiders (an angry white mans face with horned helmet) New England Patriots( a predominately white nation(America), presented as a soldier from the American Revolution) Pittsburgh Steelers (It's logo has been reformed, but it's mascot remains as a white,angry steelworker) Minnesota Vikings (a white race, to the degree of inspiring Hitlers holocaust(The Ayran race), presented as a happy and smiling white viking) San Francisco 49ers( a predominately white nation(America), presented as a happy and smiling gold rush era miner) Tampa Bay Buccaneers (a predominately white profession of multiple European nations, is presented as a angry stereotypical Caribbean white pirate) So there you go. Of the NFL teams, there are 32 teams, with 21 teams based on animals, or, in the case of the chargers, a lightning bolt, 4 teams do not have mascots, and the remaining 7 teams have human mascots, of which 6 are based on white stereotypes- one of them being a representation of an entire race of white people. That's not even touching any other sport. And whats interesting about when I looked up all of these teams? The Washington Redskins DO NOT HAVE A MASCOT. Look it up- they have a logo, and a name, but they do not have a mascot. At all. That been all said. Do I think you are honestly offended by the use of the word 'Redskin' for a team? Yes. Do I agree that the use of the word is offensive and racist? Yes. Do I think they should change? Possibly. We couldn't possibly change everything every time someone got offended, but I do think that there is sufficient grounds to justify a change. I just find your arguments to be blatantly wrong. But I do agree with your overall message. (Edited by LiptonCambell) Captain Canada: So,if I paint my face red and white ( Canadian Flag ) I am being RACIST WTF  With all the yakking about colors going on here,shouldn't this be in the arts forum????? electrician25hr: Why ain't there any teams called The White Trailer Trash? OR The Immigrant Squatters? OR the Lying Thieving Dirty White Men??? Or The Inbred Hill Billy Hicks?? OR The Retarded Off Spring of Immigrant Banana Boat White Trash Men??? OR.............. electrician25hr: Discreetly inbred ready, Build a banana boat and sail back to the shit hole country your poor immigrant ancestors crawled out of....  quarks: are not team names and mascots used to honour? most likely I do not understand being as I am Danish. but I would think the Braves of Atlanta who play the baseball are proud of what they represent. just an example. like is it different to call a team braves meaning native american warroir or a team viking meaning a norse warrior. lipton made much sense but being scandanavian I have to say viking is not a race. it is also not offensive to the actual race that had viking warriors. maybe if anything it honours them. redskin name seems offensive but other names like braves, and tribes names as seminoles seems to honour these peoples. braves is like cowboys but redskin seems like calling a team white guys. maybe I misunderstand this words though. english is my third language. very good topic and I agree racism is always bad. of the team names I am aware Redskins is the only one I find offensive. if native americans find them offensive they should be changed. last my thought is mostly anyone who posted mean things here that is not right. the thread cretor makes good points and has been kind. let us love evryone and be respectful. | Politics Chat Room 44 People Chatting Similar Conversations |
