5 good reasons...

davidk14: ....not to close Gitmo....

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Five really good reasons not to close Gitmo….

-- Mohammad Fazl, whom Human Rights Watch says could be prosecuted for war crimes for presiding over the mass killing of Shiite Muslims in Afghanistan in 2000 and 2001 as the Taliban sought to consolidate its control over the country.

-- Abdul Haq Wasiq, who served as the Taliban deputy minister of intelligence and was in direct contact with supreme leader Mullah Omar as well as other senior Taliban figures, according to military documents. Under Wasiq, there were widespread accounts of killings, torture and mistreatment.

-- Mullah Norullah Nori, who was a senior Taliban commander in the northern city of Mazar-e-Sharif when the Taliban fought U.S. forces in late 2001. He previously served as a Taliban governor in two northern provinces, where he has been accused of ordering the massacre of thousands of Shiites.

-- Khairullah Khairkhwa, who served in various Taliban positions including interior minister and a military commander and had direct ties to Mullah Omar and Osama bin Laden, according to U.S. military documents. His U.S. lawyers have argued in court papers that his affiliation with the Taliban was a matter of circumstance, rather than ideology, and that he had backed away from them by the time of his capture. His lawyers also have argued that he was merely a civil servant and had no military role, though a judge found otherwise and said there was enough evidence to justify holding him at Guantanamo. His lawyers have appealed.

-- Mohammed Nabi, who served as chief of security for the Taliban in Qalat, Afghanistan and later worked as a radio operator for the Taliban's communications office in Kabul and as an office manager in the border department, according to U.S. military documents. In the spring of 2002, he told interrogators that he received about $500 from a CIA operative as part of the unsuccessful effort to track down Mullah Omar. When that didn't pan out, he says he ended up helping the agency locate al-Qaida members.

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chronology: Interesting.

LiptonCambell: What about the people who are there without cause?

Im not suggesting all those people be let go- give them an actual, legitimate trial, or extradite them back to their country to receive their trial.

There's 155 people being detained there- Is it okay that 150 people be detained because 5 of them are outrageously rotten? And why isn't there due process for these criminals? You said some of these men could be serving time for war crimes- let them face the charges.

The only legitimate reason why someone would want them to stay that way is because you believe there isn't enough evidence to hold them....

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Former Guantanamo Detainee’s Group Was Involved in Benghazi Attack

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2014/01/former-guantanamo-detainees-group-was-involved-in-benghazi-attack-state-dept-says/

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Lists of former Guantanamo Bay detainees alleged to have returned to terrorism (Min 160+)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_former_Guantanamo_Bay_detainees_alleged_to_have_returned_to_terrorism

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Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr. made before Congress in 2011:

“You’re quite right about the recidivism rate. It’s on the order of 27 percent. There have been 599 detainees that have been repatriated from Guantanamo; some 161 of them either confirmed or suspected to be recidivists.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2013/11/21/spinning-how-many-guantanamo-detainees-have-returned-to-the-fight/

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There is enough evidence to prove that once released from Gito, at least 27% return to the fight. When sent to Gitmo, its not because they cooked their eggs wrong in the morning. There are plenty of other prisons they can go to for that. Gitmo is an extreme location for extreme individuals.

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LiptonCambell: So they shouldn't have due process?

Whats so outrageous about this? You want them to stay behind bars, I want to see them to be actually CHARGED with a crime, rather than detained indefinitely

So charge them- prove to a court that they have done what you claim they are doing, and they stay in jail.

Why is it so outrageous?

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They never should have been brought to Gitmo. They should have been interrogated and dumped. They were soldiers and as soldiers they know what there fate is. They wanted to kill and murder and they choose their life's paths. They mess with the US...they pay the price with their lives. They show no mercy to our troops and innocent civilians...so fuk um. They want to be martyrs, good for them. You and your bleeding hearts club members get more innocents killed...Bengazi is a perfect example. Shut up and let the military do what they need to do.

However, we must do it under a Declaration of War. If it is worth putting boots on the ground...then it is worth it to Declare War and take the gloves off and go for the W.

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Captain Canada: David you said """They mess with the US...they pay the price with their lives. They show no mercy to our troops and innocent civilians.."""
I guess that THEY also use your kind of language regarding the U.S.A.
"""America you mess with us,you will pay the price with your lives,we will show no mercy to your soldiers and USA civilians """"

It will never end

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Ummmm....we did not fly commercial airliners into their caves now did we.

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Captain Canada: Of course you didn't fly planes in into their caves that would be to noticeable
But you do things like the famous Cuban BAY of PIGS routine around the globe.

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Yes you are somewhat correct. However, in my statements I have clearly stated that if it is such an importance to put large number of boots on the ground as in Viet Nam, Gulf 1 and 2, Iraq and Afghanistan, then a Declaration of War should have been voted on and if it was so important....then we go for the W. To not have had a clear exit strategy...is stupid.

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Captain Canada: Yeap but than with a Declaration of War that should have been voted on,there would have been to many delays and so much media coverage between house of Representatives,Congress and the Senate that the general American public would just lose interest in such a vote and for sure majority would oppose such wars and loss of American young men and women on the battle fields.
However placing boots on the ground in the name of fighting for DEMOCRACY and fight TERRORISTS is a good sales pitch to the American people and easy to convince them also.
Propaganda and lies are a very easy thing feed to people.
Just imagine how easy it would/is to discredit the truth of these wars,hours before it hit the media when some government agencies are eavesdropping on everything.

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Perfect. Exactly. If fighting a declared war is so important, it will pass with no issues.

Example1:

NKorean assassins are captured in the act of try blow up, murder, as many US citizens as possible. Nukes, bio-chem weapons were partially used and thousands of Americans died. The evidence is rock solid.

Will the US public demand a Declaration of War. How many died? 10,000.

Example2:

Islamist terrorists in the process of genocide in Somalia. Tens of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands of innocent non-combatant men, women and children are being raped and murdered. The UN not acting or at a very limited function.

Will the US public demand a Declaration of War? On who? Somalia or the "terrorist organization" ?


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Captain Canada: Mr.David you did say that Tens of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands of innocent non-combatant men, women and children are being raped and murdered in Somalia.
But why would the USA declare war on so called Islamist terrorists or on Somalia?
Does such conflict in Somalia affect the safety and well being of Americans thousands of miles away?

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"Nearly 300,000 innocent people starved to death because of sectarian politics."

"...al-Shabaab - originally the youth wing of the UIC - declared its affiliation with al-Qaeda, and were identified as a terrorist group by the UN and the US, and have been consequently targeted by US forces. The UN and the US have blocked food shipment to the areas that al-Shabaab controls in order to deny them these supplies. Al-Shabaab wants to establish an Islamic state, but unfortunately, it has failed to put in place even the most rudimentary infrastructure to govern the region or provide services."

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2011/07/2011726135256169831.html

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"...It goes without saying that al Shabab’s brutality has been well documented, most recently in a report issued by Human Rights Watch, which found the terror group continuing to carry out public beheadings and floggings; forced recruitment of children into its forces; and the denial of humanitarian assistance to the 2.2 million starving Somalis in al Shabab-controlled territory."

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2011/frank-crimi/christian-genocide-in-somalia/

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While the brutality of al-Shabab is well known and has been applied to both men and women, its assault on women has been even more devastating. A few examples of al-Shabab barbarity include charging young girls with adultery who refuse to enter into forced marriages and then stoning them to death, as well as beating or stoning to death girls and women accused of being raped.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2011/frank-crimi/rape-epidemic-somalias-other-crisis/

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I've been reading about this for years.

This situation isn't hidden and is all over the web. I could post a dozen or more different websites that support my comments.

Don't you read?

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Captain Canada: The United Nations will claim that Polar bears live on the moon,if the USA says so.
Every nation/Government that does not bend over to the USA automatically is labelled as a threat to the American people

lavendar_star: Can the USA call itself a democracy and uphold of human rights and justice but have a place where human dont have rights lmmmm I dont think so. But I think Obama was idoit for thinking he could or would close gitto its there to stay for the time being.

For sure some of the prisoners are guilty but some are not which is what I am uncomfortable with. However, there is a issue with Islamic terriorists, what they are doing in Nigera for example is terrible. Interesing the UK AND US have pretty much failed in every Islamic countries we were supposedly helping and the terrorist organisations in those countries are as strong as ever. But the French did manage to push them out in Mali and the citzens did not turn against them.

orangemoon8: the USA is not a democracy....it is a constitutional republic

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