Prostitution Legalized in Canada (Page 2)

Metaverseguy
Metaverseguy: Rape seems to be a problem in both colleges and the military. Colleges don't want to prosecute anyone and military seems to brush it under the rug. I'm not sure what the statistics are for rape, but you only ever hear of one student reporting anything at a college. Since most colleges have between 10,000 and 30,000 students I'd say a lot of people aren't reporting. Seems like a culture of sexual abuse scandals that don't get dealt with since churches mainly just keep it hush hush and never tell the police when they know a pastor or priest or religious figure is doing something.

I've read some psychological studies that suggest rape is more of a power and dominance thing. It's not really about being horny or super attracted to someone. If that's the case then lawmakers can change all the rules they want but rapists would just keep raping, maybe even raping the new legal prostitutes. Maybe there just needs to be classes offered at the local library or church or at community centers on how not to be a dickhead.

Not sure why you think pole dancing classes would stop rape? The women aren't having sex too much and men usually aren't allowed in those classes. Best idea in my opinion is some type of bear trap thing they could insert in their vagina and just remove it if the sex is consensual. Otherwise it would snap a rapists penis off.
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: >>>The reason it would cost taxpayer dollars is because they would have to train the law enforcement on how to now handle the new laws

Well then it's pretty clear we need to make sure no new laws are ever passed ever again. Because passing new laws costs money!

Not that this is the case. This isn't an issue of a new law being passed, but an old law being repealed. For being unconstitutional, and denying Canadians their rights.

Are you suggesting we should continue to ignore the highest court in Canada, and the highest legal document in Canada(The Charter of Rights and Freedoms), because it isn't fair to train police officers with the law they are enforcing?

>>>Meaning all those veterans that have been in several sting operations are going to have to change whether they like it or not.

Absolutely.

If drugs were legalized tomorrow, akin to how Colorado is handing pot, police would also have to change their attitudes regarding it.

This isn't a good argument of WHY these laws should say illegal- cause cops can't change with the laws?

>>> If for instance someone spent months in jail or more and was fined 5 grand for something legal tomorrow that was illegal today they are going to want some type of financial gains like reparations as an apology.

Haha you are aware there are legal precedences on this, right? If you are arrested for breaking the law when something was declared illegal, then you broke the law. It doesn't matter if these laws change.

It's called a Grandfather clause- it's been around for over 130 years.

"A grandfather clause is a provision in which an old rule continues to apply to some existing situations while a new rule will apply to all future cases. "

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandfather_clause

Again, this just shows a severe lack of understanding the law on your part, and is not considered at all as a good reason to continue to enforce a law that should be illegal to enforce.

These excuses you've provided would apply to all laws- and under these excuses, no laws could ever be repealed.

>>>Many cities don't want strip clubs in their town.

So?

No one needs to ask the community if a new business can open up. I'm not asked if the empty lot at the end of the road is a corner store, a strip club, or a brothel, or a Walmart.

You could argue night and day that such a thing 'isn't wanted'- but so long as people go there, you would clearly be wrong.

>>> maybe even raping the new legal prostitutes.

The difference being, since these prostitutes are legal, they can turn to the police and press charges.

With legal prostitution, we could have safer environments for these women to do business in, with frequent medical testing, security, men giving their contact information incase they do do anything illegal.

With illegal prositution, we would have more dangerous environments for these women, where they could be raped, or given diseases, and they cannot turn to the police anymore than a druglord can report that their stash got stolen.

Legal prostitution ensures its safer for everyone involved, and if there is a rapist out there, they will be reported, and the police will be searching for them, rather than the rapist roaming the streets looking for their next victim.

Legal prostitution can get these women off the streets, in a discreet location- there will be less crime because criminals do not need to prey on these women.

It IS the better solution. Abolishing prostitution hasn't stopped prostitution- it just has made it more dangerous for everyone involved.
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Metaverseguy
Metaverseguy: I'm not sure how much of a problem prostitution is, in Canada or the USA, or Russia, or any big country. Clearly it's dangerous for everyone involved between the pimp and the prostitute, and even the John. It involves kidnapping and sex trafficking, but still these are a very small percentage of the crimes committed. I don't see the appeal of sleeping with women who could have possibly slept with several other guys the same day. I was living in a bad area a few years ago and a few blocks down there were plenty of hookers walking the streets looking for customers. These weren't women anyone would want to slam their brakes to talk to. Yet, this is probably the type of workers the brothels would be full of - that old 40-50 year old woman working in the sex industry and never left, or that single mother of 8 that weighs 250 lbs and likes to smoke crack. Not too fabulous, but what do you expect from customers that treat them terribly, just want sex, and then leave them like they were a tissue. If this would reduce crime I'm all for it. Of course it's also another source of revenue for taxes.

It's pretty much the same thing as pornography and that's legal. So why not?

I live in the USA and as far as I know it's been illegal for 30 or 40 years in nearly every part of the USA, except for some parts of Nevada. Although, after reading a wikipedia article it doesn't seem like the paradise free from sex crimes. The article below shows that legalizing it can make it worse, allowing brothel owners to act like pimps and be protected by the law. It's not even preventing the sex trafficking of minors.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Nevada#Criticism
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electrician25hr
electrician25hr: Yeah keeping prostitution Illegal will some day stop it. Guys will not want sex or even try pay for it and women will not want to spread thier legs for money. Just keep on busting the girls who do rent out thier bodies and it will eventually cost nothing to arrest them.
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Metaverseguy
Metaverseguy: I don't get who wants this so bad. In this documentary on the chicken ranch the dude was talking about how the girls needed to sleep with any of the guys no matter how ugly they were since some of them come by on their lunch break for a little "party".

Who is so addicted to sex that they move their business to Nevada, or change their route through Nevada so they can have sex during the daytime while on lunch?
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dirty bird
dirty bird: If there were more compliant women out there they could shut down the prostution industry
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Metaverseguy
Metaverseguy: Most research suggests that women that get into these kinds of jobs were sexually abused as children. So you'd have to hope there are more families out there fucking up their kids.
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: Where is this research? Because it honestly sounds made up
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Metaverseguy
Metaverseguy: Here's two links I found in a simple google search:
www.mcap1.com/downloads/Layden_harms.doc

books.google.com/books?isbn=0786418494
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adancer113
adancer113: In my opinion,prostitution should be legal.People get into more trouble just trying to have sex.There should be a place for people to have sex when they feel the need and not be seen as bad. humans have desires and sex is one of them.Some people are sick and some are desperate.sometimes these people commit rape or molest children,maybe legal prostitution would help cut down on this.Unfortunetly there are evil people out there who will commit these crimes.legal prostitution may help cut down on this. Also ,if your a cheat, you will cheat.Your probably not being taken care of by your lover.(that could be there fault,"or yours".These things need to be resolved.Maybe you do not deserve each other. My reason to legalize is to protect children and women from the depraved people who do not care about any one but themselves.


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alpossmar82
alpossmar82: Can you link past sexual experiences and sexual relationships (not including porn, maybe STD can be caught by virtual, I've heard of one mysteries case), as a ratio or more like a differential tree. So a sex worker has had action not with only partners but also all past sexual relationships of corresponding male/female, hitting the thousands, this was a concept created in sex education during high school to discourage or possibly encourage the sex industry. Sex workers making $2000 a night....also was advertised on Television media, coinciding with classes of around 7th 8th grade, in some ways legalisation has pushed child prostitution underground, who tend to be more unwitting, police heavy focus on offenders and heavy connections with brothels often invested interest and informant source.
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dirty bird
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: >>> maybe STD can be caught by virtual

It....what?

Are you suggesting, if a porn star has an STD, films herself having sex, then I watch it- I can get that STD?

How? Voodoo?Has Samsung developed a tv that, when I watch a porn with someone with an STD in it, It'll spray herpes at you? I cannot even imagine how such a thing is even remotely possible....

>>>in some ways legalisation has pushed child prostitution underground

What?

Is English your first language? Because I feel there is some powerful confusion between us...Child prostitution wasn't underground before? You could go on down to your local macs, ask if the news child porn was in, and they'd direct you to the racks? When has it not been underground? And why would legalizing prostitutes make it --more-- underground? Now police can stop wasting time preventing two consensual adults from having sex, and actually protect and prevent rape, and child molestation- how is it a bad thing?
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alpossmar82
alpossmar82: Not to mention married male annual salary >100K infects female wife and legal hookers virus HIV after business trip in Thailand. Happens so often they stop reporting it..
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wargypsi2014
wargypsi2014: Well it is that people are forced into sex trade and given the life as one. What are they to do about it whether it is a family code or another persons abuse. Either way it is not fair to workers to be attacked by the law in any manner what ever the reason the sex worker chose to do that! It will still be eligal to pimp or buy workers.
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alpossmar82
alpossmar82: Is there a possible link with current ART antiretroviral treatment for HIV associated with the sex industry which is know for low levels of virus will bring a faster onset of AIDS. Euthanasia? inheritance of acceptability to the sex industry before birth? Case study downunder of this possibility, females associated with sex industry or mental problems infected with virus during birth was a scenario often for advocates against legalisation,
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Metaverseguy
Metaverseguy: I'll be honest alposs I have trouble understanding what you're trying to say. There's better treatments for HIV and it was cured in a 1/million case, but not sure how connected it is to the sex industry. There might be a stronger percentage of it among sex workers, but generally homosexuals have the highest case of HIV/AIDs.
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wargypsi2014
wargypsi2014: I have friends with that disease. Few of them.. Rather or more over I don't think that would stop the legalization of prostitution. There would of course be more practices of safer sex in the industry. Might I add less hostages styles of life. I was raised in certain ways and of course had a burlesque house of my own. Legally owned in hopes the industry could be clean. People in that industry need hope, like I did when traded off like a slave. I hope as well there will be reform places, meaning more of them! Hope you all liked my comments
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alpossmar82
alpossmar82: The use of HIV as a biological agent for euthanasia is prominent with pandemic rates. Well known as a government tool for suppression of minority groups, often takes physicians with experience to see its use and potential infiltration in the West. Downunder education system and actuation involving heat emitting rate tests of low decile children as representation as potential economic and environmental threat to the political psychopath.
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dirty bird
dirty bird: I really don't care- there's nothing in it for me.
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wargypsi2014
wargypsi2014: Allows that is insane
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dirty bird
dirty bird: I don't care!
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alpossmar82
alpossmar82: Isolated incidence in the West, known common in African nations. I believe Noway and Ireland have pulled back on legalisation after the downunder case study and following courtroom articles, amazed the chemist involved gave into morality...
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wargypsi2014
wargypsi2014: The industry just needs to run cleaner.
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dirty bird
dirty bird: who cares?
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