thank you for unions (Page 3)

duncan124
duncan124:
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davidk14
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orangemoon8
orangemoon8: Numbers, Numbers, Numbers, they don't mean anything. 54% of Americans favor unions? You mean 54% of maybe 3,000 people polled. Another thing.....Do you really think McDonald's is gonna pay someone $15 per hour for a low skill entry job like dropping fries? Not gonna happen, unless McDonald's wants to close a few of it's restaurants. Instead of bitchin' over the fact that the CEO makes alot of cash, go get a piece of that pie. Look at the automotive industry, that needed to be bailed out cause of their own stupidity. Why are so many GM, FORD and all have all these recalls?, I see stickers with slogans."built with pride".....really? unions are an anachronism, and eventually will go away. By the way, if you're the owner of a business, and you treat ppl really well, and pay them good.....why would you forced to accept a union, if a movement took place. Hostess for example, unions constantly making demands, they went on strike. Unions got greedy, and Hostess shut down the whole company, putting thousands out of work. Kinda funny that those union leaders still had their jobs. How did that strike help those workers?, now they all have to go on un-employment, raising my taxes. I always read in the papers....or see things like...out-of-work UNION carpenters. what's the difference? If my union layed me off cause of seniority, I would look for another job, and if it was non-union so be it. Out of work is out of work. Eventually more and more states, will be right to work states, and workers will be glad they have jobs.
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duncan124
duncan124:
Thanks for sharing that with us Orange. Are you a member of a Trade Union or do you work for a Trade Union, or do you work for a company called Union Carpenters???
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orangemoon8
orangemoon8: Neither.....I work for myself,From 1983-1985 I was in a union called 1199J hospital & healthcare workers, what a joke. When I made management I left the union. 3 members were brought up on corruption and stealing funds. they were given long jail terms.
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SillySally8
SillySally8: corruption and ignorance aren't exclusive to government and unions..lets be honest..the world is going to shit in a handbasket! which is another forum for later discussion...

this conversation interests me as I am in the middle of organizing my workplace as I type this...and it's not an easy feet!..

.through out history arguments have always been made for and against unions....with consideration of the successes and failures of implementing a union..i ask you this...if you could work for a company that respected your expertise, paid you fairly, spoke to you like a human, attempted to be transparent so as not to cover up their hidden agendas and said what they mean and mean what they say...you would not feel the need to have union involvement correct? because afterall that would be a good company to work for right?

how bout this?....the government pays 30.00 for every hour of in home support(nursing)...it takes me 29 minutes to wake/wash/dress/feed/medicate and ready a person for the day given their specific needs or disability( yes.........I run my ass off)..and in turn I get just over 7 dollars for that 1/2 hour(disgusting)....so...considering that I have done all the work, should I not be recognized and paid accordingly? or...do you agree that the employer retains 23.00 and I get 7.00? hmmmm

wage parity did not come about because good folks like me shut up ...it came about because unions are a collective..and together they stand stronger in numbers....I have no issue paying my few union dues (which are tax deductible) to ensure that I have a fair playing field at my workplace..after all....I've put in my 27 years...and have seen far to much on the part of management to say I have been treated poorly...my choice to work in healthcare..i get it..but if you can flip a burger for 12 bucks an hour...... surely to god assisting someone while they prepare for the end of their life deserves more then 14???

I can't wait to get my union in...they won't close their doors! too many vulnerable ppl in the community need my service...it is essential and should be respected as so
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davidk14
davidk14: ,

Perhaps you should start your own company, charge the government $25 per hour and not have the overhead that your current company has. Your specialty is needed and God bless you.

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SillySally8
SillySally8: it's not the overhead that keeps the wages low I'm afraid..but ty for that david
private pay clients pay out of pocket as well...the company keeps the majority of the money instead of the intention it was meant for...trust me..i don't do it for the money!
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davidk14
davidk14: .

Almost a year ago, my mother fell and broke her hip at 85. Insurance covered only so much and she spent a small fortune on in home care. With a lot of luck and determination, she has recovered and can walk with a walker.

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DEEP_acheleg
DEEP_acheleg: majority of the money? whats the average corporate profit margin, then?
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: >>>the company keeps the majority of the money instead of the intention it was meant for

Aside from deep's very important question just above mine...."instead of the intention it was meant for"?

Don't business's make money to make more money? They aren't charities, working for the benefit of the community, or insurance, reserved for when the employees need a cash boost....the intent of profit was to re-invest in the business, to increase the cash flow, so there would be more money to re-invest. Profit is striven towards to help business's grow, become larger and investing in innovations, with the intent that this will make them more profitable in the future...
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DEEP_acheleg
DEEP_acheleg: r&d is pricy, but necessary for a producer to stay competitive, as is the latest manufacturing technology
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SillySally8
SillySally8: it's a business..yes
it's a business based on providing basic human rights to ppl that can not manage on their own as well
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SillySally8
SillySally8: like the government paying ridiculous prices for what ?? yes I know ..it's a business
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orangemoon8
orangemoon8: We should be grateful for ppl like you, who do what you do, I worked in a hospital but I was in management, as soon as I made management I dropped out of my corrupt, clueless union. Forming a union may or may not help. I'm sure it's the SEIU, unions act as a business and do the same thing your employer is doing, and waste alot of union dues. I know you don't do it for the money, but after 27 years, I would have been licensed as private healthcare aid by now, not working for 7 dollars an hour. Good Luck.....
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: I'm saddened that you didn't address what DEEP wrote- it was a valid concern to your comments.

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SillySally8
SillySally8: lol I don't work for 7 bucks an hour
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SillySally8
SillySally8: u speaking to me lipton? lol it's not my post
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edvis
edvis: Union---greedy thugs,
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dave3974
dave3974: good luck with the diet ed
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davidk14
davidk14: .

US Supreme Court could deliver crippling blow to Big Labor
By Sean Higgins
Published June 03, 2014
Washington Examiner

In the first year since the Wolverine State adopted a right to work law in 2013,SEIU Healthcare Michigan lost a staggering 80 percent of its members.

The case illustrates a dirty secret of the modern labor movement: A lot of its rank and file members don't want to be in a union in the first place and will leave if given the chance.

What right to work did in Michigan, the Supreme Court might soon do nationally: In the case of Harris v. Quinn, the justices must decide if Illinois state government can force its own public sector employees to participate in a union. If the ruling is “no,” that could effectively extend right to work laws to all public sector employees.

The possibility has labor law experts closely watching the case. About half of all union members nationally - more than 7 million people - work in the public sector. Many, possibly a majority, are in workplaces that were unionized before they were hired, so they never had a chance to decide for themselves. Many may leave, hurting Big Labor's already-sliding membership numbers.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/

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This alone would fundamentally change the way this government operates.



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DEEP_acheleg
DEEP_acheleg: the right to unionize was upheld in the court, under the guise that freedom of speech implied freedom of association. seems to me that the freedom to unionize, and the mandate to unionize are mutually exclusive.
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davidk14
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The right to unionize is the right to unionize. A right to work state means that unions can if they want try to unionize. It's just that by law, politicians are to have no say. They, the politicians, can not be swayed by union lobbyists. The politicians are powerless....as it should be.

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orangemoon8
orangemoon8: Unions are an anachronism, they will go away. Look at the major hit the teachers union got, tenure is more than likely gonna go away too.
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duncan124
duncan124:
You have to be a member of the actors Union to work as an actor.

It is a Human Right to join and participate in Trade Unions.
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