President Obama's Statement in Response to the Zimmerman Verdict. (Page 3)

the real slim DEEPy: the very taxonomy of races, by genetic similarities and differences is fundamental racism. the only people that are entirely innocent of racism are those who know that the "races" of man are totally fabricated, and not based 1 bit in reality, or genetics.

to, furthermore, categorize mixed lineages as "BLACK" is an appeal to the "one drop rule", used to keep the bastard rape babies between slaves and owners from sharing inheritances with the owners non-bastard children.

i dont understand why the afro-american culture abhors the one drop rule when it disadvantaged their ancestors, but promotes it when it serves their present interests.

it is not about black or white, it is about misconceptions, and distrust, between very distinct american sub-cultures.

PhiloSophia: Hence, why I referred to said mindsets adopted as "social", as opposed to views rooted from scientific evidence.

the real slim DEEPy: yes, the entire controversy is the result of commonplace delusions, which permeate our cultures in distinct ways, in relation to the varying benefit or harm of said delusions to varying sub-cultures.

there are 2 major ethnic classifications which have been defined for the us population: african-american and anglo-american. it causes me grave distress to be associated with anglican imperialism/colinization/opression. genocide and slavery, as i am a polish jew, and my family has had no relation to the past angilcan atrocities.

i perceive that this taxonomy was intentionally created to be misleading, in order to intensify class conflict, so that politicians could polarize us, and stir up class warfare, in order to distract from the real bane- the politicians themselves. class warfare is a fundamental tool of fascism, and there are many other such tools used in us, and world politics- such as the propaganda of obama being black and zimmerman being white, or the propaganda of the existence of the races, at all.

the real slim DEEPy: im not a cheuvenist. i dont allign wht zimmerman because we share jewish genes, nor negate trevons travesty because he doesnt look enough like myself. i align with ethics, which leads me to blame, neither party involved, but, rather a relatively open-ended "stand-your-ground" law, which abnormally expands a law, intended for self-defense in a home invasion/burglary, to provide defense of use of lethal force in public places, with lenient, non-specific standards to satisfy, in order to use it as a defense.

i do believe that race was very possibly a factor; however, zimmeman acted within the law, and the objective thinker would place the blame on the poorly written florida law, instead of solely focusing on "race"

Inspector Ninja: I'm actually with Deep on this, as much as I abhor Zimmermans decision and as much as I SUSPECT there were racial overtones, he was acting within the bounds of what is essentially a ridiculous law. The legal situation is the problem, and idiots like Zimmerman knew it.

davidk14: .

The defense NEVER tried to use the "stand your ground law". Zimmermans attorney's used self defense at his court trail. Trevon was on top of Zimmerman pounding away. Zimmerman believed his life was in danger and fired his weapon. The question was, "Did Zimmerman believe his life was in danger". The jury decided.

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Inspector Ninja: David, I realise being stupid is a full time job for you, but stand your ground was worded into the court documents, into the jurors instructions. Its standard in Floridian law. They don't need to actively bring it up because it is in the wording. I don't know why you need this explained to you so many times but I suspect its because you're a dunce.

soylent_green_1973: "Stand Your Ground" was explicitly referred to in the judge's instructions to the jury in the Zimmerman trial. The jurors have stated they considered the "Stand Your Ground" law in deliberations. Stop changing history.

Recent cases in Florida seem to indicate that "Stand Your Ground" doesn't apply when the person standing their ground is black. Trayvon Martin stood his ground against a creepy stalker with a history of violence, but apparently he wasn't allowed to.

davidk14: .

Insulting those that do not agree with you shows you might just have some character and integrity issues.


Also added to the jury's instructions, they could also come to a conclusion although Zimmerman was not charged with manslaughter instead of 2nd degree murder. The jury decided not to convict him of any charge. Even the FBI investigation did not provide anything to the trial

Race was not an issue in this case.

Perhaps you should read factual information. Might help with your character issues.



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soylent_green_1973: look, i'm sorry. But your constant refrain that race isn't an issue is pure fantasy.

davidk14: .

You are so wrong, a blind man could see the truth.

IF Zimmerman had not been mentoring Black kids on the weekends, I just might think you have a point. IF he had not been 1/2 white and 1/2 Hispanic, you just might have a point.

There is not one person that came to the trial that said they ever heard Zimmerman say racist anything. Not one. There is no evidence including the investigation by the FBI that there was anything racist regarding Zimmerman.

YOU might believe it was racist...so be it...but there are no FACTS to support that he was a racist...including the FBI.

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Inspector Ninja: Wow, such a keen deflection from the point of ignorance that Stand Your Ground wasn't implemented. I insulted you because david you appear to be rather silly in your brain. Its pointless discussing with you because you came to the argument loaded with misinformation which you spread around like shit with a shovel. If you understood (which you don't) the rules about bringing up specific crimes, attitudes and personal beliefs in a trial, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

I have no idea whether Zimmerman was racist or not, its YOU I think has an issue with race, hence your extreme focus on it. Again, just to clarify, it is the LAW I think it wrong. Zimmerman, for all his callous taking of a life was within the bounds of the law.

davidk14: .

No, it's soylent green that thinks it was racism....not me.

If you remove stand your ground wording from the law, sort of stupid.

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digital_spark: Since Zimmerman has pretty much been proven to be a serial assaulter and a total nutcase, there's not much of a defense for his actions now.

chronology: It was established crystal clear at Mr Zimmerman's trial that the events that led to Martins death fell into two events. Some may contend that George was perhaps insulting in the interest he first took in Martin, maybe it was inappropriate, but it was absolutely passive, completely passive, George did not approach Martin or speak to him.

The first event, where some may say George was passively impolite ended with George being sat in his automobile after calling the Police. Minutes passed by, enough time in fact for Martin to have walked home without any further development of an argument. The situation now changed completely as Martin waited in the shadows. George left his car and walked over to the dark place he last saw Martin. Now let us all keep this clearly in mind, it makes no difference at all why George walked where he did, he had every right to, he could have been looking for some car keys he had lost, he could have been trying to get a better signal on his Cell, he could have been looking for a lost Cat. it is completely irrelevant 'why' he walked where he did. Now the second event began, Martin approached George and asked aggressively; 'Have you got a problem'? George said 'no' and attempted to walk away. Martin then began punching and dragging George to the ground and 'smashing and mashing' his head into the concrete. George's Defence Lawyer established beyond doubt that Martin 'did' have a weapon, he used the concrete to smash George's head against. When Martin reached for George's gun, George reached for it first, and he defended himself.

Yes it is sad Martin died that night, but he was the creator of his Fate, not George.

Inspector Ninja: Yes chronology, I totally accept the only witness, George Zimmermans account. Wait a second, he's turned out to be a deceptive gun wielding nutter. So no, I don't accept that account and suspect the events were somewhat different.

chronology: Ninja. Forensic evidence, residents statements of what was heard, telephone recordings with recorded shouts on, all have been used to recreate the crime scene. Very colourful term; 'gun wielding nutter' however this term does not fit in any way George Zimmerman.

Inspector Ninja: Really, you mean when he pulled his gun on his girlfriend in an argument, it doesn't fit him? Not to mention the telephone recordings being hotly contested. The forensic evidence again, doesn't show what happened here. Just the aftermath. You say "when he reached for his gun". There is nothing to prove he reached for the gun, including the lack of fingerprints on the gun.

I'm not sure what you think happens, but it is incredibly common for domestic violence victims to be threatened or coerced into dropping charges. The man owned a fully automatic assault rifle, a specialised shotgun and three handguns. He's killed an unarmed teenager. I'm also unsure how you think the floor being on the floor constitutes "having a weapon". In which case I'm constantly armed with the floor. Don't be so ridiculous. What kind of fist fight requires someone to be shot to death? Its also weird how you suppose he might have been looking for a cat, or trying to get better signal on his phone, when we know he followed him, armed. I think you're looking for a way to moralise the death of a black teenager by defending a coward.

soylent_green_1973: Yeah, George Zimmerman isn't a gun wielding nutter. It's just that nutty situations involving guns in his hands have a habit of coalescing around him.

davidk14: .

Nobody talks about Chicago where....


.....the black murder victimization rate was approximately 34 per 100,000; the Hispanic rate was 11 per 100,000, and the white rate 3 per 100,000. Over 75% of victims and 88% of offenders had a prior arrest history. 11% of armed robbery victims were female, 50% of domestic victims were female, and 7% of gang-related victims were female. 31% of armed robbery victims were over 45 years old. 29% of domestic-related murders were committed by women. From 1991 to 2005, 19.2% of armed robbery murder victims were white, and only 4.3% of armed robbery murder offenders were white.

(2005) Victims of gang-related murders: 70% Black, 26% Hispanic, 3% White; 93% male. Offenders in gang-related murders: 76% African American, 20% Hispanic, 3% white; 99% male. Victims of domestic-related murders: 79% African American, 10% Hispanic, 11% white. Victims of armed robbery—related murders: 68% African American, 13% Hispanic, 19% white, 89% male. Offenders in armed robbery—related murders: 87% African American, 9% Hispanic, 4% white; 93% male.

And there are those that want to pick on little ol George?

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soylent_green_1973: David, how many of the murderers you're blathering on about were released without charge and then only charged after people pointed out it was, you know, a bit strange that a killer could stalk and shoot dead an innocent teenager and be sent home with a pat on the back? Could that be why people raised a ruckus?

You do realise that the reason you know so much about the offenders you're so interested in is that, um, they were charged and tried...right? They weren't interviewed for a few minutes and sent on their merry way the way little ol' George initially was.

davidk14: .

George was put under a microscope. He was found not guilty in a court of law. You want to hang a man for defending himself??? The reason I posted those stats is to point out that the left wing media in the US only looks for white on black crimes. The Chicago stats are 1000 time worse yet not a peep out of the media. How about the recent 'knock out game' where black on white hate caused numerous serious injuries and death. You want to continue to discuss this topic, you should read up on the Chicago crime stats as well as any large US city crime stats. They are much, much worse and perhaps should hold your attention.

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Inspector Ninja: I think the main problem here is david doesn't like black people. He doesn't know how to state that properly because he thinks people will think less of him, so he finds any statistic possible to bolster his fear of black skin. That's why he defended Zimmerman from the get go. That's why he can't understand that people are shocked when someone shoots a teenager to death and doesn't get arrested.

davidk14: .

Ninja said:

David is a racist.

David responds:

Are you nuts? I married outside of my race and also my religion. Do not even try to use that card. Only ignorant people use that card when they are confronted with facts. And let's not forget another fact...Zimmerman is Hispanic.

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soylent_green_1973: Yes, David, because someone who marries outside their race can't be racist...
And we all know Hispanics can't have racial bias against African Americans, and racism isn't a major feature of many South and Central American societies.