let the marginalization of the NRA begin davesdatahut: For those who see the NRA for what it is - one of the most dangerous organizations in America and a threat to public safety - the following is a must-read... And for anyone else who cares about the gun debate, for that matter.... http://www.newrepublic.com/article/113292/nras-end-real-gun-control-movement-has-arrived?utm_campaign=new-issue-email&utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=8843284# (Edited by davesdatahut)  unicorn1: Interesting article. It had to happen eventually, even if its only the beginning. May the snowball start an avalanche! davesdatahut: May it indeed. Hopefully, some of the cowards in Washington will see through the NRA and put some reasonable and sane firearms regulations in place. Not that it would do a huge amount to control gun violence (they will have to legalize drugs to do that), but it will be a good step in the right direction and carry big symbolic significance.  harlett anathema: professional progressive liberals agenda... is too balk over Your, right of free speech....not theirs....then too batter you with, not with providing for who can't do for them self,that's a given all decent human beings have no problem with...but batter us with doing for who will NOT do for them self and with what it is YOU owe those types...it doesn't matter what it costs you & your family too provide for the will NOT do for them self.. the loudest of the loud spewing forth that common every day folks should have no right too have fire arms too defend themselves and theirs with, all spew that noise with folks standing next too them packing firearms... when news is breaking about another gun crime... it isn't long before news breaks of another irresponsible gun owner accident that cost them a child life...we do not hear of many of the irresponsible gun owner accidents unless were first hearing of gun toting crimes.... if.....folks were really concerned.... we be hearing of how too be a responsible gun owner...constantly......personally...if i had children in my home ..there be no way for them too even know the house ..housed a gun in a locked night stand ...... or else where...if every parent or care giver was held liable for gun accidents with children.. there be little too NO gun accidents with children..................happening as a norm.. careful of what you allow & permit your POLITICIANS to THINK OF YOU....& about US...... davesdatahut: That would be among the common-sense options - holding gun owners responsible, in some way, when their weapons are used to commit crimes or deadly accidents. I like that idea. I am not opposed to to people owning weapons for self defense or hunting. I am opposed to the lock-step refusal of dangerous organizations like the NRA to cotton on to any type of regulation that might help reduce gun violence or keep guns out of the hands of nuts and thugs. I do not buy, in any way shape or form, the paranoiac view that gun regulations will lead to the big, bad government swooping in an taking people's weapons, on the way to some dystopian authoritarian form or rule. Good grief, people who spout that shit are off the wall. (as noted above, the best way to reduce gun violence in the United States is to legalize drugs, but that is another matter) (Edited by davesdatahut) harlett anathema: drugs were legal once upon a time... how do you think coke got it's name.... the cure for what ails folks is not legalizing anything that will lead too addictions they need money for that they don't earn & have.... the cure is..... too refuse too let anyone outta the school system before they can read,write... harlett anathema: here's a idea at how too clean up some streets.... attach the neighborhood juveniles too work details that clean fast food alleys etc etc etc etc etc etc... davesdatahut: I'm for your idea of better education, without question. There are a whole lot of issues surrounding that goal not being addressed well in this country. Legalizing drugs, meanwhile, is the single biggest way to reduce gun violence. See the Prohibition era for a history lesson on that. Legalize them and take the business away from gun-toting dealers. Rocket science, it ain't. harlett anathema: legalizing and decriminalizing are too different avenues.... lessening criminal charges by putting in place other types of consequences is a solution...legalizing addictive drugs will only lead too more 1 on 1 crimes...& too robbery.... harlett anathema: when your out in the world in large numbers NOT earning a living..&.NOT having the money you earned for your legalized drug indulging...your gonna ROB someone for that money....too BUY....or are gonna steal the drugs from the seller... (Edited by harlett anathema) harlett anathema: LORI...........can you post some conspiracies that makes better sense too have..... such as every server that services the internet for our PLANET is housed in the usa of a.. which leaves me wondering how the Chinese think they can break into our government or companies and not be caught at it...  lori100: Bush and Clinton are not the only ones involved-----veteranstoday------Wednesday, October 17th, 2012 | Posted by Kevin Barrett LA Times: Romney’s a drug-money launderer-----------------Back in July, the Los Angeles Times – not VT, Infowars or Truth Jihad Radio – broke the story that Mitt Romney is a drug money launderer. How did we all miss this story? (Until John Hankey and then Gordon Duff picked it up.) Maybe it’s because the Times story never comes right out and says “drug money laundering.” It doesn’t have to. What the Times article does say translates directly and unambiguously as DRUG MONEY LAUNDERING, in caps, exclamation point. According to the Los Angeles Times, Romney’s company, Bain Capital, “paid out a stunning 173% in average annual returns over a decade.” “Stunning” is not the word. “Criminal” is more like it. Bernie Madoff was arrested and went to jail because he was paying 10% annual returns. That’s how it came to light that he was running a criminal enterprise. You just cannot possibly pay 10% returns consistently, year in and year out, with legitimate investments. Never happened, never will. Ponzi schemes sometimes pay as high as 20% – and soon collapse, and the perps go to jail. But a 173% annual return is far beyond the range of the craziest, most short-lived ponzi scheme. Romney wasn’t running a ponzi scheme. He was running a drug money laundry. His clients, the Times explains, were shady characters from Panama. Here’s how it works: A druglord hands Romney, a.k.a. Bain Capital, ten million dollars in cash. Romney puts it on his books as a one million dollar investment in Bain Capital. At 173% interest, it only takes Romney a few years (officially) to return ten million laundered dollars to the druglord. ------------------------------------shocking, but true , drugs are huge business for officials and govt unicorn1: ok so Lori's clip was a bit Darth Vader voice like and probably not the most convincing of the sort, but I would have to say that I have family in Colombia, and I've been there and to say that USA is not involved in looking the other way when it comes to the importing of drugs is a thing sadly, I simple no longer believe. harlett anathema: y are folks still  over those who have made millions and hired tax attorneys too take care of their taxes for them....social security is a ponzi scheme....and those who earned for decades before it was payroll deducted from what we earned.. have been living off of the benefits the longest........... harlett anathema: uummmm..the new york times... does not do due diligence when it comes too doing their home work.... they have hired journalists with fakes degree's and resume's...they slant....their take..spin...how ever you choose too explain it.. here..... i am a housewife....who has fox cable news on for most of the day...... i had noticed.... that during the day..when events were unfolding....with Politicians..there wasn't any slanting or leaning one way or another...but once the work crowd were no longer preoccupied with work...the slanting.. the sound biting began.. spinning..a slant.... i noticed that local channels never mentioned any of....shoot if you only tuned into abc..cbs,nbc national news ... you be 3/4 clueless.... davesdatahut: Harlett, let me ask again....why would legalizing drugs increase crime? When booze was legalized, it decreased crime. Why would the same not happen with other drugs? harlett anathema: is it a crime....too destroy your liver,kidneys....???? it is a crime,too soak down your body chemistry so that you end up with brain cancer..???? is it a crime......too become so drug and or alcohol laden that your personality goes through antisocial changes... davesdatahut: Harlett, what kind of stats can you cite to show that legalizing booze increased domestic crime? Are you citing anything or just guessing? As for other crimes, it is not a crime to abuse yourself. It may not be a good idea, but it is not a crime, and certainly not the government's role to tell someone what to do to their own body.  Dennae: Statistics showing correlation between alcohol and crime (from the NCADD Fact Sheet Alcohol and Crime): 5.3 million adults − 36% of those under correctional supervision at the time − were drinking at the time of their conviction offense The US Department of Justice (DOJ) estimated that a majority of criminal offenders were under the influence of alcohol alone when they committed their crimes. Federal research shows that for the 40% of convicted murderers being held in either jail or State prison, alcohol use was a factor in the homicide. Alcohol is a factor in 40% of all violent crimes. Based on victim reports, alcohol use by the offender was a factor in: 37% of rapes and sexual assaults 15% of robberies 27% of aggravated assaults, and 25% of simple assaults Having stated that .... Whether you talk about guns, alcohol or marijuana .. making them illegal is not the answer. Education is. davesdatahut: None of that addresses the question about whether legalizing alcohol consumption increased domestic crime. That being said, I do agree with your point about education being the key ingredient to safe use of any drug. | Politics Chat Room 99 People Chatting Similar Conversations |