Morally conservative republicans going back into hiding. Succinct Verbosity: So, I'm interested in the lack of discussion over a very clear change of stance within the republican party to regain middle-ground support. In the past few weeks, a republican candidate and notable members of the right-wing press -Bill O'Reilly- have conceded defeat and come out in support of gay marriage; is this the only policy change we can expect from republicans as they clean house and disassociate themselves from the far right in their party or are we about to see the party make far more concessions in order to support floating voters in a few years? Sen. Rob Portman (R-OH) becomes first Republican senator to support marriage equality http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2013/03/sen_rob_portman_comes_out_in_f.html Republicans Sign Brief in Support of Gay Marriage Dozens of prominent Republicans — including top advisers to former President George W. Bush, four former governors and two members of Congress — have signed a legal brief arguing that gay people have a constitutional right to marry, a position that amounts to a direct challenge to Speaker John A. Boehner and reflects the civil war in the party since the November election. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/26/us/politics/prominent-republicans-sign-brief-in-support-of-gay-marriage.html Bill O'Reilly calls gay marriage opponents bible thumpers http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/27/bill-oreilly-gay-marriage-thump-bible_n_2962110.html (Edited by Succinct Verbosity) MichaeI: Enter Dr. Benjamin Carson. A true Conservative and also the guy who stuck it to Obama right in his face. I won't dispute what you wrote because it's true. Republicans have no back-bone and they are flip-flopping like a fish out of water just to pander some votes. It's quite sickening really because there's no sincerity behind it. On the other hand, you can't tell me that Hillary and Bill Clinton are sincere with their flip flop either. Keep in mind that Bill signed DOMA into law and now all the sudden he's for it? Bull-spit. Also, isn't it a little convenient that Hillary Clinton has also flip-flopped and now supports it? Surely she's not pandering to get ready for the 2016 campaign. Bottom line is this, both parties are insincere and I'm not happy with any of them. Last person I thought that would flip is Bill O-Reilly. I will be voting for Dr. Benjamin Carson come 2016. A man that sticks to his beliefs, agree with him or not, you have to respect that. Especially a man that basically tells Obama in his face and on his own turf that his policies suck. Succinct Verbosity: I'm going to argue the case that a lot of politicians -republicans and democrat- supported gay marriage but were too afraid to come out in favour it because nobody thought you could win an election on that basis. Now, sure, there may be moral flip-floppers, but I honestly believe that Obama winning an election with an endorsement for same-sex marriage has shown other politicians that it isn't an unelectable viewpoint. The point is, the opposing view -to come out against same-sex marriage- is now becoming the unpopular decision. But let's put it this way, before this issue came up Obama helped abolition of don't ask don't tell... An issue seen as stupendously important to republicans, and once it passed, it was met with apathy. So, yeah, on the specific issue of same-sex marriage you can conclude Obama of opportunistic flip-flopping, but he's certainly been in favour of abolishing certain inequalities before that. I'd like to see a morally conservative republican lame claim to such a feat. (Edited by Succinct Verbosity) Succinct Verbosity: Yes, I am aware of what Obama said about gay marriage at first, hence... " I'm going to argue the case that a lot of politicians -republicans and democrat- supported gay marriage but were too afraid to come out in favour it because nobody thought you could win an election on that basis."  CatO9_Tales: so what`s the issue? some politicians want to seek middle ground to gain votes? OH MY!!!!! hahaaahahahahaaa harlett anathema: the war against organized religions....will go into full effect...once the federal government legalizes same sex marriage...the first too fall will be the Roman Catholic's.. through law suits directed at breaking their banks.. for not marrying same sex couples... then Islam will be attacked.... for every step forward..there are serious consequences.. Succinct Verbosity: The catholic church destroys its own reputation... It doesn't need the governments help. harlett anathema: matter's not too me...what any of those two religions reputations are...but it does make sense that Islam will make the bigger and more violent stink & reaction too federally sanction same sex marriage... which is exactly why folks have begun too play ping-pong.. with the issue.... mean while... it isn't me,who is contradicting them self while mocking and misleading the public the at large with not well thought plans & schemes... the conservatives of the 1800's are who are at fault for all the lies distortions weaved into history books and for the paths main stream religions took....  edricleeboneham: Move to Seattle, it grows like weeds. In fact it seems people smoking it public a lot now a days rather brazenly, in the last 4 days I saw (and smelled) people smoking it on the beach, downtown, at a bus stop, in front of safeway, ON THE BUS, and at a baseball game, its like better than amserdam or something MichaeI: No wonder America's entitlement program is out of hand. People are sitting at home playing video games, eating Cheetos and getting high while collecting disability checks cause they gave themselves a mental disorder.  snaggletooth007: Uh...That sounds pretty cool. Where can I fill out an application for that? I don't want the Cheetos though, I'm on a diet. (Post deleted by snaggletooth007 ) snaggletooth007: I didn't say I wanted to use the herb or the heroin. I want to sell it to your kids, Michael. | Politics Chat Room 24 People Chatting Similar Conversations |