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chronology
chronology: The problem with Pot is that the harm it causes is not immediately noticeable such as with hard drugs or alcohol.

People here on Wire have disputed these harmful effects, but pages and pages of comments have been listed by users themselves. Pot smokers say they have constant headaches, cough up phlegm, that it takes them an hour longer to wake up in the morning, that they feel unmotivated and lacking in initiative until they take a pull of 'Mary Jane', that they look back on all the money they have wasted on Pot and think of the automobile they could have purchased with that money, that their sinuses are constantly becoming painful and blocked, that they lack the energy they used to have in sports and outdoor hobbies. And they suffer all this loss of wellbeing and money for what? a few moments of dopey satisfaction.

Is this really the future you want to hand over to American boys and girls? a future of Pot on sale on Main Street? It really is heartwarming when you hear some teen in America say they 'do not touch the stuff, I have better things to spend my time and money on'.
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resi419mr.fancypants
resi419mr.fancypants: why do you thrive on bullshit? get your damn facts straight. it funny how you know everything behind your wine bottles and fine cheese. the only problem with weed is people for instance, the baby boomer era that need to get theyre head out their asses and get some fresh air. your like a bunch of jokers preaching reefer madness.
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orangemoon8
orangemoon8: So let me get this straight......you legalize pot, but ya have a smoking ban in effect in public places?.....you try to get ppl to quit smoking, but legalize pot?. It's all about the tax money it's gonna create, that's it.
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Wild__
Wild__: ^^^Tax money is better than profits for drug cartels and gang members.
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orangemoon8
orangemoon8: Is that how ya have to get your taxes? Go after those ppl, it's not as hard as ya think.
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Wild__
Wild__: There are lots of ways to get taxes, but only one way to deny the drug cartels their profits... legalize drugs.
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orangemoon8
orangemoon8: Legalizing drugs isn't the way. That's all we need is the gov't in the drug business.....hey you can call them cartels. People should learn to grow it, smoke it at home, and stay there. What they do in their own homes is their business. When they bring it out into public, that's where the problems start. We don't need another set of morons .....driving while high. I don't wanna get hit by some dumbass, running a red light cause they're high and, who doesn't have the common sense stay out of a car, after they been smoking out. if ya grow it at home, can the gov't tax the hell out of you?
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Wild__
Wild__: We already have people driving under the influence of marijuana, meth, and cocaine. I guess just making it illegal doesn't magically make a social issue go away.
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orangemoon8
orangemoon8: Making it legal, just empowers another whole set of ppl with no common sense to stay off the road.
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Wild__
Wild__: Who? Oh you mean the same people who are already driving down the road under the influence even though it is illegal?
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orangemoon8
orangemoon8: No, they are already criminals, The newly empowered ppl, with some of whom have no common sense,
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Wild__
Wild__: ^^^Huh? " newly empowered ppl" ???
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orangemoon8
orangemoon8: Yeah, the ones who didn't do it cause it was illegal, who now , with marijuana being legal, will undoubtly drive while high. More ppl will smoke out than drink, making for something really bad coming.
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Wild__
Wild__: WRONG! The fastest way to ensure that kids will do drugs is to tell them that they "cant" do drugs.

Legalizing drugs will NOT result in a greater rate of drug use, only a greater degree of regulation of those that choose to do drugs regardless of legality.
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orangemoon8
orangemoon8: It will lead to greater use! try telling an 18 year old they "can't do drugs, or anyone younger than than that, they'll do the opposite. Greater degree of regulation?. again the gov't in the drug business and telling ya what ya "can't do" The state, doesn't care about ppl in a way ya think, it's all about the taxes. and how much they'll bring in. Smoke out, enjoy making brownies out of it, or whatever hope it's all good. Pay the taxes, watch the ski areas lose revenue as they are now, cause ppl wanna get high without skiing down a mountain. We'll see how they benefit. btw I used to live there, someone I worked with couldn't wait for it to be legalized, because he was afraid of being a" criminal, when it was illegal". He said I'm gonna smoke out and get high, and enjoy it. When he was driving home..."high" he made a left turn thru a red light, drove into the wrong lane, and got clobbered by a tractor trailer, and was killed instantly. his nano level was 11, six points over the legal limit. imagine if that was a family of five instead of a tractor trailer. Oh...I forgot to mention..... how much is that " legalized pot " benefitting him now?
(Edited by orangemoon8)
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A_Muse_Mint101
A_Muse_Mint101: If you can't trust people with freedom, how can you make the argument for trusting people with power?

"The State" is for sale by the highest briber, now, anyway; legalizing pot will actually quell a lot of possible rebellious upstarts while in other ways fostering the paranoia in others. Tho, that's another argument all together. Let me just take a moment to address some of what you're contending.

"It will lead to greater use" is not an argument against legalization of anything. Example: Cigarettes have been legal and the use amongst citizens has been ever decreasing with the systemic increase in information regarding its use; which, inevitably will follow with legalizing things (for one there is more money in the 'air' to do so with).

If you can be legally intoxicated by alcohol, prescription medication, or other recreational drugs, in private establishments that are open to the public, then it shouldn't really matter on what so long as the establishments rules of conduct are observed. Common sense doesn't just appear once something is made legal nor illegal; personal responsibility goes beyond legislation and public intoxication is against the law in many places, already.

"Making it legal, just empowers another whole set of ppl with no common sense to stay off the road." While the grammar disguises the intent, I believe you mean -- Making it legal just empowers another whole set of people, with no common sense, to get on the road. Either way, it's a vacuous truth. I refer back to my opening quote. I believe the error you are making is in believing that laws prevent people from actions; this is not always the case; furthermore, as you can see by the full prison system.

"His nano level was 11". Excerpt from -- http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Is-the-limit-for-stoned-while-driving-too-high-4233733.php#page-1 -- "The level of 5 nano-grams per mil is pretty high," Huestis said. "We know that people are impaired at lower levels than 5, but the balancing act is trying to find a number that can reliably separate (the impaired from the not-impaired), which is almost impossible to do." Marilyn Huestis is a senior investigator in chemistry and drug metabolism at the Intramural Research Program under the National Institute on Drug Abuse and, thus, the National Institute of Health. She is practically saying the limit tells you little as to the person's impairment and is more something to compare with rather than set as a standard of legal enforcement.

I could refute your stances further but why....

I'll just do as the good Doctor has-- When asked if she would recommend a lower active THC level for DUI laws based on her studies, Huestis said she doesn't comment on policy. Instead, she lets her research do the talking.
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orangemoon8
orangemoon8: Who can't trust ppl with freedom?, in some ways the gov't. Democrats are busy doing that already, thinking "they" know what's best, and restricting freedoms. My point started with the fact that everyone is trying to ban smoking, e-cigs, and all, but legalize pot?.and the fact more ppl will get behind the wheel high as a kite more than alcohol would do. You have the most intelligent post on here about the subject, and everyone should read this. People who feared arrest, jail, etc now do not have to worry about it anymore. I as one who drives for a living,I am dumbfounded that the federal gov't is allowing this. The states have certain rights, and they will do what the citizens want them to do to a certain extent. Only time will tell if Co and Wa made the right choice in allowing a vote on it. Also, I am not against it, learn how to grow it, and do whatever, just stay home. The prison system shouldn't be full cause of pot smokers. Community service would have been better. An inconvenience of serving would be alot better than criminalization. Letting a whole new wave of impaired drivers on the road is not the way to go and, should have been considered. Driving safely is a civic responsibility, should "not" legalizing pot also be a civic responsibility of the state gov't?. Pot when smoked destroys the brain cells, and they are not replaced. I don't care about studies, or anything like that, it doesn't really matter, what are the end results? People are still gonna do what they want and no study is going to change their behavior. What I see is just common sense going right out the window. Gov't wants to be a bunch of babysitters, don't smoke cigs it's bad for the lungs, don't eat fatty foods or trans fats, bad for the heart, but pot?.....oh yeah smoke til ya can't stand up right. Lung disorders from pot?.....nawww they'll be fine, better pot than those nasty cigs. The ppl got what they voted for, I just hope they know what they are getting into, and realize there may be a negative economic impact arising from their vote. I believe this is an experiment for these 2 states, and the Fed gov't will weigh negative and positive aspects of this. Is this the beginning to get it legalized for all states? I hope not, the thought of the whole country legalizing it wakes me up in the middle of the night.... After pot, what drug you think they'll legalize next? Cause ya know ppl will try.
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A_Muse_Mint101
A_Muse_Mint101: smh at all that, but I do want to point out one key argument that sums up your whole ignorant diatribe--

"I don't care about studies, or anything like that, it doesn't really matter ..." - orangemoon8
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orangemoon8
orangemoon8: aircraft workers......who fuel and maintain your planes, ya want them to be high? possibly not fully fueling your plane, maybe not securing a cargo hatch. Isn't Boeing in Washington state?
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davidk14
davidk14: .

Pot was being smoked before the law.

Employers treat pot like alcohol and you can not be high or drunk on the job...any job. That is in the job description and in every employee handbook. You high or drunk. You are fired. No grey area. Also, if there is a Workers Compensation issue, a blood test is automatic and if you are high or drunk, the insurance may not pay the claim and you can be terminated. Lawyers and insurance companies would go banana's without these limitations.

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wayne elliott
wayne elliott: Why do people think that legalising mary jane will suddenly explode into a society of stoned heads? Those who are smokers will continue to smoke whether legalised or not, just like those who drink continued to do so through prohibition. This satement is made with regard mj - not the hard manufactured drugs that decimate a person.
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singleblond
singleblond:
"don't walk on the grass; smoke it!

Here in Amsterdam marihuana is so strong; it's almost a harddrug!

(when you wanna try just let me know and i'll send some!)

JAH mann
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Will Cyber
Will Cyber: Prohibition doesn't work. Period. You have to look at the countries where drugs have been legalized. In all of the countries I've read about drug abuse and deaths due to drug use have dropped dramatically. Furthermore, if we look at our own history of prohibition we can plainly see that it clearly didn't work. We have a much lower alcoholism rate than during prohibition. Not to mention such notables such as Al Capone, Lucky Luciano and Bugsy Segal. Couple that with the fact that it made a criminal out of most honest citizens and its obvious.

But we can always continue to fight the drug war. I mean I don't mind locking up fathers and providers for a quarter bag of weed. Then its fun to pay taxes to take care of him while he's locked up and feed his family too. And isn't fun for the people on the Mexican boarder? I just know the drug cartels are having a blast killing everyone and I'm sure it's fun for the innocents too.

America has it so backwards it's pathetic. It's no wonder why people hate us when you think about it. But that is for another discussion. As for this one, I am in awe that we have little to no harm prevention here. We happily maintain that the drug addict is a criminal and not someone who is sick. Where I live there is no good samaritan law. That means that if you and I were getting high together and I overdose and you call for help you are subject to arrest from charges ranging from possession to manslaughter. This will most likely not make you too happy to call for help. Maybe you can try to bring me back yourself. Meanwhile I lie on your mom's couch and die in a pool of my own excrement. Beautiful.

I agree that there is no "easy" answer. But I know what we are and have been doing isn't going to suddenly start working. It is time to re-evaluate the way we handle things. And I can tell you that the national legalization of marijuana IS coming. It may take some time. But we are well on our way. Like it or not.
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: >>> It will lead to greater use!

Do you have any evidence of this?

Lets be honest here- pot being decriminalized and legalized is nothing new- multpile countries have done it, as has the state of Colorado.

So wheres the proof?
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