Marijuana Legalized (Page 11) Will Cyber: I'm not interested in the states that have medical marijuana. I want recreational legalization. We currently have 2 states that have legalized. Colorado and Washington state. Washington is actually regulating the sale of marijuana to her citizens. Maine just voted it in back in November. I'm not sure if the law has taken effect yet there. Medical mj is a fine start. But still not true freedom. If our forefathers who wrote our constitution could see us now they would not like what we have become. This is not the nation they tried to create. But again that is for a different convo and would probably end up in gun law debates. lol.  sprocket girl: there is no right answer to me... i am for americans having freedom, since their constitution grants it. though.. i must say if marijuana should be legalized what about heroin, and cocaine? it may not be as "bad" but who determines what level of bad is acceptable?... its a strange perplexing question. yet drugs of any kind (excluding medical reasons) ruin lives... yes ilegal drug sales are dangerous and bad... just sad that people dont look at the pain and suffering marijuana use causes for some, just as alcohol and of course other drugs. as long as people dont endanger others i say to each their own... most of all i think its sad that people feel a need to self medicate and use any mind altering substance... eat some yogurt and ride a bike off the side of a mountain... trust me the rush is more than any drug you can get legal or otherwise! again its sad drugs need to be legal or illegal at all... if the world was happy and content reality wouldnt need avoiding  LiptonCambell: >>> i must say if marijuana should be legalized what about heroin, and cocaine? Depends on the circumstances. If pot is legalized because people should be free to put whatever they want in their own bodies, then yes, Heroin and Cocaine should apply as well. If pot is legalized because it isn't that harmful, and actually can help combat alot of diseases, then no, Heroin and Cocaine should not be legalized. Both are very fair arguments to make. >>>yet drugs of any kind (excluding medical reasons) ruin lives.. But the people ruin their lives by their own choice. They understand the risks, and take it anyways. How many people have ruined their lives by bungee jumping, by drinking too often, or by sports? I've heard stories of teenage girls becoming paralyzed for life because they fell during cheer leading......should it be the governments place to protect people from themselves? Not to mention, especially on the issue of pot, that the law does more harm to people than the drug itself. (Edited by LiptonCambell) sprocket girl: lipton... i clearly stated americans should have their freedom... excluding if this freedom harms others... i dont disagree its peoples choices that ruin their lives.. im not against legalizing it.. or heroin for that matter.. simply sad about the pain they cause. sure some may use and be perfectly happy or fine secondly smoking is not healthy.. doesnt matter what you smoke, inhailing smoke is medically harmful.. if needed as medication the good may out way the bad.. but its not good for you to inhail smoke of anykind even just that off a campfire in the woods. so in short we dont disagree... im just sad its even a subject, even is... most people use drugs to escape life, its sad life needs escaping sprocket girl: as for the sports statement... ummm we disagree completely i am a top level athlete in my age bracket.. i have to race youth because i am not old enough to race elite... why cant i race elite class? well in my sport, the elite class rides a tougher more dangerous course than the youth class. would i move up to elite heck yes i would... i cant though becuase, they believe i am nit old enough to way the risk properly and make the choice. if i raced road.. where class is just more a challenge i could move up age class. this rule is based on my age... and the inherant danger of my sport. yep i could be hurt and die but should have the choice. where this gets all complicated is for instance why cant i free base sky dive of big buildings in the city? is the law to protect me or others? i think both... could marijuana use endanger those around you? probably depends on circumstances and the user... should it be illegal? i cant say honestly... i dont really know the dangers or risks to self or others. do governments pass laws to protect us from ourselves? yep all the time... suicide is illegal as an example. should they pass these laws? honestly thankfully i am not in parliment and dont really have to decide in the end rules in sports exsist to keep people safe from their selves, though accidents still happen... so the cheerleader arguement is kinds ummmm silly, because there are moves that are not allowed in youth cheer because of the risk... laws and rules are based on risk again do i agree that they should be based on risk.... ummm not really but they are  wayne elliott: Druga can be an escape for those suffering pain - some have terrible psychological pain from events in their life i.e. childhood abuses. There are also medical reasons: a friend of mine with AIDS used marijuana to excite appetite and i would get it for him. He died of the disease in '94. Will Cyber: I'm not sure what caused it or where it went. But the intelligence in this thread has disappeared. Sorry about your friend Wayne. So if no one has anything intelligent to say... you know? that makes sense and is on topic. I'll probably just stop following the thread now. Which is a shame because this is one of my favorite political topics to debate and make people feel like the idiots that they are.  Wild__: Marijuana should be legalized and regulated nearly identical to alcohol just to keep the insane amount of money from going to the drug cartels and to free up jail space for violent criminals.  davidk14: . Perhaps it's the drug cartels that are sending 10's of thousands of children from all over Central America to invade the US because the States that are legalizing pot. Perhaps the cartels know their days are numbered so they are seriously getting into the human smuggling business since they know this administration will not turn away the children. The cartels make huge amounts of money in the smuggling business. . Wild__: In N.Cal we have a huge problem with drug cartels growing weed in our national forests, well armed and willing to kill to protect their crop. That is a huge concern for as harvest coincides with deer season. When I'm out hunting I always have to look out for illicit crops. And yes, they will find other ways to make money.  Beloni: why we can't smoke a plant that was made by god, chilling, laughing, loved,.. ? but getting drunk to much is social acceptable ? fucked up looks, fucking up social life, doing shit you never want to. LEGALIZE THAT SHIT.. and even better yesterday than today ! WildFireLion: We have enough problems with drinking and driving, smoking pot and driving is an even more dangerous problem in that someone under the influence of pot does not realize that their ability to react is hindered as they are more relaxed...and by how long one is hindered by, pot has a major affect on the ability to drive for up to 24 hours... LiptonCambell: Oh, I agree- driving under the influence should be illegal. But thats no reason to make the substance is illegal. That's throwing out the baby with the bath water. Just make driving under the influence illegal (which...like...it already is..) WildFireLion: Hey Will Cyber, I can back up my ideas with proof if you want...and Lipton, the problem is enforcing it. The same way people who are drunk think they are good enough to drive, the same way people on pot do not think they are impaired. Making driving under the influence illegal means nothing as people are going to do whatever they want. Also, there are plenty of studies that show that pot is more harmful to the lungs than tobacco is so that means taxes go up to pay for increase health care costs...society on the whole is not benefited by making the product legal overall, it is just a few selfish individuals who benefit in that they get to smoke a drug without fear of consequence...  resi419mr.fancypants: Wild fire sounds like he wants to make money off the problems just like new ford wagons are covered with mercedes benz embles. using magnetics. Its the easiest guess on the mutherfuckin world to bust. go fuck a chicken fucker! LiptonCambell: >>> it is just a few selfish individuals who benefit in that they get to smoke a drug without fear of consequence... without the fear of consequences? If what you say is true, they are more likely to die because of these choices they've made And I don't buy the "We pay for health insurance, thus, individual rights shouldn't exist" hooey- if that's the case, then why are we allowed to decide what to eat at all? Obesity and the health problems that are caused by it are a far greater killer in this country than smoking pot- same goes for alcohol- it kills your liver- and cigarettes- they kill your lungs. Why are we targeting such a minor contributor, while the majors don't have that kind of logic applied to them? To announce that the government must regulate THIS substance is a slippery slope, since if you can defend the idea that people shouldn't have individual right to be in charge of their body, because we all pay healthcare, then what rights could possibly be protected? All you're doing is encouraging a nanny state at best, and at worst, a tyranny. | Politics Chat Room 39 People Chatting Similar Conversations |