Marijuana Legalized (Page 2) XWhiteandBlue: Did you know that there is a country that engineered a strain of cannabis that treats pain without getting you "High" Would that be an acceptable compromise for medicinal purposes? The issue I see with a legalized marijuana, is that there is no objective way (that is not prohibetively invasive) to test for Driving under the Influence in the field. However, there are scientific studies tha tsuggest that driving "baked" impairs your ability/judgement just as much as driving drunk.  billy_piper: like most things it helps some and destroys others. im not against weed or any drugs but i do think if it was legalised the age of consent should be 25+. that way youre still gonna have some problems but at least the users will be old enough to have made a adult decision, and hopefully have a developed adult brain to think with. XWhiteandBlue: Also, now that its legalized... can an employer still require drug tests as a pre-requisite to employment? or are we going to have people showing up to work under the influence? Again... this thing was not thought threough all teh way before being implemented, and we'll all be the ones to pay the consequences of this "Half baked" (pun intended) plan...  Wild__: Airline pilots and commercial truck drivers answer to the Department Of Transportation, which is a federal agency, and therefore they are still required to pass random drug tests or lose their job.  Nathaniel Nirvana: lol @ DawnGurl It's about time it was legalised everywhere, ppl who are adults should be able to choose what they can or cant do with their bodies. As for pain, prescription & over the counter pain killers are not without side-effects, they effect the liver for a start, & many are highly addictive  Coffrey: Really? We're arguing about marijuana? Just to be put into perspective: Many people die from alcohol use. Nobody dies from marijuana use. People die from alcohol overdoses. There has never been a fatal marijuana overdose. Alcohol use is linked to cancer. Marijuana use is not. Alcohol is more addictive than marijuana. Alcohol use contributes to aggressive and violent behavior. Marijuana use does not. Alcohol use is a major factor in violent crimes. Marijuana use is not. Not to mention the medicinal properties that Mask alluded to above. If you want to outlaw marijuana, okay fine. But if you don't also want to outlaw alcohol for the same reason, now you're a hypocrite. Now to mention that marijuana is a known herbal, organic and safe pain reliever, on the same level as prescription drugs, but without the assload of side effects, including nausea, headache, upset stomach, anal leakage, high blood pressure, insomnia, schizophrenia and death. You know why marijuana is illegal in the first place? They outlawed it because the importing of them were taking American consumers away from the homegrown "mood boosters" like alcohol. Some of the founding fathers even grew it and Abraham Lincoln, Bill Clinton (yes, he DID inhale), George W. Bush (an argument against legalization  ) and Barack Obama have all smoked it. So how bad is it really? (Edited by Coffrey) XWhiteandBlue: Seeing as there is no "Field sobriety/breath test" thats accurate for teh MJ... would you be willing to have a traffic cop put a needle in your arm to test wether you are driving under the influence? THat is one of my biggest issues with a underdevelpoed & rushed plan for legalization. XWhiteandBlue: BTW, the reason there are no harmful effects documented for teh MJ, is that THE TESTS HAVE NEVER BEEN PERFORMED... MJ actually has twice the carcinogens of comercial, filtered cigarrettes, (partly because it is smoked unfiltered, and all the way down to the "roach" ) Coffrey: You think field sobriety tests won't detect someone who is high? Apparently you've never smoked or been around anyone who has. Only Snoop Dogg and Willie Nelson would be able to pass a field sobriety test totally baked and manage to fool the officer XWhiteandBlue: A field sobriety test is a subjective measure... it can only be use dto compell a breathlizer test, (or blood test after an arrest if the person refuses the breathlizer) seeing as there is no hreathlizer for canabis... would a failed field sobriety test be acceptable as grounds for an arrest and compeling a blood sample then? Seems you are waaay too willing (in my opinion) to put up with gross invasions of privacy in order to be able to legaly smoke the reefer. I'd have SERIOUS issues with anyone other than a true MedTech getting anywhere near me with a needle. Wild__: Weed should be legalized, if for no other reason, so as to deny drug cartels the billions of dollars in annual profit. Furthermore, prohibition simply does not work. It failed with regards to alcohol and abortion. It continues to fail with regards to drugs and prostitution. And the prohibition of firearms is also doomed to failure. Unfortunately, competent regulation is beyond the ability of our so called government. Coffrey: I agree, it does present some problems. But get real, if the sticking point between supporting legalization or not is because alcohol is more easily detectable, you are just looking for reason not to support it. Overall, I don't think cannabis users pose as much danger on the road as alcohol, it's really a solution looking for a problem to solve. I say we cross that bridge when we come to it, legalize now, get every single person with less than whatever the amount is that gets a selling conviction out of prison right now and free those resources for the true ills of society XWhiteandBlue: DUI laws were "written in blood" How many more "trial and error" deaths, would be acceptable until we "cross that bridge" into determining how much less of a danger driving high is than driving drunk? There are studies that state that the level of impairment against driving a vehicle/operating machiery is comparable for alcohol, and THC XWhiteandBlue: Anyways... Merry Christmas, I'll continue to argue in a couple of days... right now it is family time... Coffrey: Haha, as I've noticed with the gun nuts, I'm willing to go with a few unknown cases of DUI in order to get people who did nothing illegal in my mind out of prison, to take away the power base of what is killing the people of Mexico and even the United States, to take away the power from street gangs in our own country and to get more of that sweet hempy revenue to fund more government programs which all can be put to research a way to detect THC easily. But yeah, Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukah, Happy Kwanza, Merry Apocalypse...... and other things | Politics Chat Room 25 People Chatting Similar Conversations |
