Malaysian Airline Conspiracy Theorie or part truth? You decide.

TTauresa
TTauresa: Ron Paul Says U.S. May Share Responsibility for Malaysia Airlines Plane Crash.

He raises the possibility that the U.S. may be using the crash to start a war against Putin.
Former Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul claimed Sunday that the U.S. and European Union may share responsibility for the downing of a Malaysia Airlines plane over Ukraine last week.
“While western media outlets rush to repeat government propaganda on the event, there are a few things they will not report,” Paul, a former Republican congressman from Texas, wrote on his website. “They will not report that the crisis in Ukraine started late last year, when the EU and U.S. overthrew the elected Ukrainian president, Viktor Yanukovych. Without U.S.-sponsored ‘regime change,’ it is unlikely that hundreds would have been killed in the unrest that followed. Nor would the Malaysian Airlines crash have happened.”

Paul is the father of Kentucky Senator Rand Paul, who is ahead in polls of likely candidates running for the GOP nomination for president in 2016. The younger Paul has come under attack in recent weeks from Republicans such as former Vice President Dick Cheney and Texas Gov. Rick Perry, a potential rival, for being too isolationist on his foreign policy.

Ron Paul, who ran for president in 2008 and 2012, and his son Rand both hail from the libertarian wing of the Republican Party, which advocates less intervention abroad, though Rand Paul has in recent months tried to distance his himself from his father. Rand Paul’s office did not immediately respond to a request for comment
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TTauresa
TTauresa: In the post Sunday, Ron Paul goes on to write that Ukraine separatists would have everything to lose if they shot down the plane, and nothing to gain, suggesting Ukrainian culpability. “They will not report that the Ukrainian government has much to gain by pinning the attack on Russia, and that the Ukrainian prime minister has already expressed his pleasure that Russia is being blamed for the attack,” Paul said. “They will not report that the missile that apparently shot down the plane was from a sophisticated surface-to-air missile system that requires a good deal of training that the separatists do not have.”

President Obama suggested Friday that blame for the crash lay with Russian-backed separatists, and Ukraine has released audio-recordings allegedly documenting conversations about the missile strike among separatists. “Evidence indicates that the plane was shot down by a surface-to-air missile that was launched from an area that is controlled by Russian-backed separatists inside of Ukraine,” he said.

Ron Paul compared the incident to Syrian President Bashar Assad’s use of chemical weapons against his own people last summer. “Assad was also gaining the upper hand in his struggle with U.S.-backed rebels and the U.S. claimed that the attack came from Syrian government positions,” Paul said. “Then, US claims led us to the brink of another war in the Middle East.”

At the end of the post, Ron Paul says it is entirely possible that Russia is responsible for the crash, just as the Obama administration has suggested. “Of course it is entirely possible that the Obama administration and the US media has it right this time, and Russia or the separatists in eastern Ukraine either purposely or inadvertently shot down this aircraft,” he writes. “The real point is, it’s very difficult to get accurate information so everybody engages in propaganda.”
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TTauresa
TTauresa: I just read this comment on REDIT too:
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Once again Ron Paul is right but the people are stupid sheep. Actions of the US media like FOX and the politicians is disgusting..using the death of those people for their ends. The US is ran by psychopaths who could care less about the people on that plane. They only want to use the tragedy for their own agenda. How many innocent people have the US killed in wars and bombings like in Iraq? THOUSANDS..how about all the people dead from US supporting terrorists in Syria? People can never see things from the other side. Just inconsiderate.
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TTauresa
TTauresa: I feel so sorry for the poor inocent people who died in this "accident" but i feel, a bit sick at the possibility that they may well just have been used as pawns in a bigger picture. May they all RIP.
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lori100
lori100: True TTauresa...and more.......---------- Leading HIV/AIDS experts, activists among casualties of shot down Malaysian plane----------------------------Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was flying over eastern Ukraine's Donetsk region on Thursday when it was blasted by a surface-to-air missile. The exploded aircraft crashed and brought down with it all 298 people on board and a significant share of humanity's ability to fight and end the HIV and AIDS epidemic.

On board the plane and among those who perished were researchers and activists bound for an international conference in Melbourne, Australia, where they would have gathered to learn ways to combat HIV and AIDS, which remain prevalent and continue to claim about 1.5 million lives per year.
----------------------------------'AIDS cure may have been on that plane': Researchers ...

www.mirror.co.uk/.../aids-cure-been-plane-researchers-... -------------------------The cancer industry, for example, depends entirely on the continued existence of cancer for its profits and power.

This theory says that a team of scientists on board MH17 were about to present key research of an AIDS breakthrough which would result in a real cure. Thus, they had to be taken out in order to protect the highly-profitable cancer industry, which generates billions of dollars for pharmaceutical companies that practically run the government.

And if you don't believe that Big Pharma interests dominate government activities, then ask yourself why FedEx is being charged with multiple felony crimes by the U.S. government for innocently delivering packages from online pharmacies.

---------------------But one of the ideas that does raise legitimate question is the photo of the claimed "recovered passports" of MH17 passengers. Miraculously, all these passports appear to be in mint condition, even though the aircraft itself is a smoldering nightmare of wreckage.
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TTauresa
TTauresa: hmm, food for thought!
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davidk14
davidk14: .

Um....there is one thing you have not taken into account. Ron Paul is 'coo coo for coco-puffs'. His son is not much better however he will roll over when he gets his tummy scratched [that's a good boy].

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lori100
lori100:
U.S. Admits Its MH17 ‘Evidence’ is Based on YouTube Clips & Social Media Posts

AP journalist challenges State Department spokesperson on official narrative

by Paul Joseph Watson | July 22, 2014
-----------------------------In a testy exchange between AP reporter Matt Lee and U.S. State Department Deputy Spokesperson Marie Harf, Lee virtually corners Harf into admitting that the “evidence” presented by the U.S. to blame Russian-backed rebels for the shoot down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 amounts to nothing more than YouTube videos and social media posts.



Lee begins by asking Harf how the U.S. plans to produce “forensic evidence” proving Russian-backed rebels were behind the attack, to which Hard responds by reeling off talking points before stating, “we know, we saw in social media afterwards….of the pro-Russian separatists bragging about shooting down an aircraft.”

“How is it exactly that you know it was fired from separatist held territory?” asks Lee, to which Harf responds that the evidence is based on “communications posted on YouTube by the Ukrainian government.”

“Is there anything other….than social media?” asks Lee. Harf alludes to an “assessment,” before again reeling off talking points (based on social media and YouTube videos) that blame separatist rebels.

“All you’re willing to present publicly that backs up your version of the story, which may well be the correct version of the story,” states Lee before being interrupted by Harf who sardonically retorts, “may well be.”

“I haven’t seen your evidence that shows that the missile was launched from rebel held territory,” continues Lee. “The only thing you’re willing to put out publicly is the social media accounts,” he adds, before citing other social media accounts that dispute the State Department’s version of events.

Harf asserts that any version of events that challenges the State Department’s version (based again on social media posts) is “illogical.” Lee states that the State Department’s evidence would not stand up to an international investigation.
---------------------------------http://www.infowars.com/u-s-admits-its-mh17-evidence-is-based-on-youtube-clips-social-media-posts/
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duncan124
duncan124:
The story is totally fake, and its not the first time it has been published.

The US Republican quotes seem to be an attempt to compel the Obama machine to utter a statement stopping the false hood.

That sort of cringing behaviour is often dealt with in a more complicated way.
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demented diode
demented diode: I think that's a load of bullshit. It was just a horrible tragic accident. That's all
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duncan124
duncan124:
That's a load of Bull Shit for sure!!

That post " It was just a horrible tragic accident" was a horrible tragic accident after they killed beamer and took all his money!
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demented diode
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demented diode
demented diode: whats that a picture of ur brain lol
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demented diode
demented diode: Calm down dude I was talking about this whole thing Not what u Wrote. I did not read it. Because I know the truth and u don't, So tell me who killed me
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demented diode
demented diode: Dam u Commies give me my money back LOL
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Could it be that some dude shot it down with a missile, thinking that it was a Ukrainian military aircraft? Just a thought.
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The13th
The13th: Some kids on that aircraft are probably laughing and playing when the missile strike. They will continue to laugh for may be another 0.3 second while some part of their brain tell them something is wrong as the explosion ripped through their body and their head fly off. The brain will still try to disbelieve all these has happened as the head start free fall to the earth.

And to think that some shit head like Obama, hillary, john kerry using these flying kid's heads to frame Putin is downright sickening. That is real low. Fucking low.
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davidk14
davidk14: .

I believe that the missiles were launched 'believing' the aircraft was military.

Ooops.



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The13th
The13th: That is the most likely scenario but it is not an accident. Rather, the Ukrainian government has ochestraed this by (1) direct the aircraft to fly over the danger zone. (2) lower the aircraft height to the lowest possible 30000 ft (3) have su-25 following underneath it. The rebel has fall right into the trap and fire at the target. The culprit has to be the Ukraine government, and anyone who support them like EU or US or australia are thus implicated. Anyone who keep wanting to hold Russia responsible is trying to help Ukraine to cover up. Essentially Obama, Hillary, that bishop bitch from Australia, john Kerry and David Cameron are using all those kids life as a pawn to achieve a political purposes. They are no better than those WW2 Jap that kill women and children for fun.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Clearly you're rooting for Putin Boyz but have you any proof for your allegations? Remember, we're all innocent until proven guilty.
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The13th
The13th: I don't have proof but neither have Obama, Hillary, Kerry, bishop, Cameron etc who in the very first days want Putin to accept blame and hold him accountable for this tragic event. At least I have refrained from making rushy conclusion. And the scenario that I postulate is the "kindness" version I can come out with. What really happen could have been more sinister. For example how bout the small pot hole that some claimed to be machine gun fire. I don't want to go further until I know how buk missile work, or see what kind of hole machine gun really made. Those dirty bastard are more sinister than what you and I can imagine.
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ghostgeek
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Not for the unsophisticated.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: A powerful Ukrainian rebel leader has confirmed that pro-Russian separatists had anti-aircraft missiles of the type Washington says were used to shoot down Malaysia Airlines flight MH17.

Alexander Khodakovsky, commander of the Vostok Battalion, acknowledged for the first time since the airliner was brought down in eastern Ukraine last Thursday that the rebels did possess the BUK missile system.

He also indicated that the BUK may have originated in Russia and could have been sent back to remove proof of its presence.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2702002/US-Russia-created-conditions-shoot-down.html#ixzz3BL5JQ6hK
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The13th
The13th: Yes. My earlier post has not denied that most likely "The rebel has fall right into the trap and fire at the target." But I still hold the Ukraine government accountable for the event. The difference is really simple:

- the Ukraine government hope like hell that the pro-Russian rebel will fire at a civilian target and get themselves into trouble. The Ukraine government has taken steps to maximize the chance that such an event actually occur. They play dirty.

- the pro-Russian rebel has no intention to fire at a civilian aircraft. It just does not do them any good. They did it by mistake - I have no intention to blame them, or the Russia who supply them the BUK. I wish them well in their fight for self government and independence.
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lori100
lori100: Unidentified Fragments Found in Bodies of MH17 Crew: Dutch Safety BoardUnidentified fragments have been found in the bodies of MH17 pilots, their origin is currently being established, a Dutch Safety Board (DSB) spokeswoman told RIA Novosti Wednesday. ----------------------“Some fragments are found in the bodies of flight crew, pilots. We have to investigate them to see if they are fragments of the plane. If they are not, it might be fragments of the objects, coming from outside. We’re not sure yet what these pieces are fragments of. Experts are working with bodies,” DSB spokeswoman Sara Vernooij said.

On Tuesday, the DSB released a preliminary report on the MH17 crash. According to the report, the flight broke up in the air probably as the result of structural damage caused by “a large number of high-energy objects” that penetrated the aircraft from outside.

The analysts said that groundbreaking results should not have been expected as the investigation into the crash was hampered by the Kiev’s military operation in the region. Investigators also did not have rapid access to the crash site.

The DSB aims to publish the final report within a year of the date of the crash.


More:

http://en.ria.ru/world/20140910/192802348/Unidentified-Fragments-Found-in-Bodies-of-MH17-Crew-Dutch-Safety.html
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