arijit_rupai: Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
Abolition of all right of inheritance.
Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of the population over the country.
Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.
LONG LIVE REVOLUTION!!!!
LiptonCambell: Ah, now your opinion is clear.
Still, a question appears above all others- what makes your "manifesto" any different than the Communist Manifesto?
arijit_rupai: Lipton no different...I am not a communist....but we need to take gud things from it...its not my opinion....its universal charter
LiptonCambell: Wait....so if there's no difference, why the distinction? Why didn't you title this thread "Communist Manifesto" rather than "Socialist Manifesto"?
What makes one a socialist, and one a communist? Because from a quick glace there doesn't seem to be any difference....
arijit_rupai: Socialism Vs Communism
" Socialism is the idea that the working class, the class that produces the profits, the wealth, the cars, houses, planes, steel, should take over and run things collectively, democratically, for the benefit of the majority (who also "just happen" to be workers too).
Communism is the idea that society should not have classes - exploiters and exploited, oppressors and oppressed, and so on. "
Socialism generally refers to an economic system, while communism refers to both an economic and political system.
Socialism seeks to manage the economy through deliberate and collective social control.
Communism seeks to manage both the economy and the society by ensuring that property is owned collectively, and that control over the distribution of property is centralized in order to achieve both classlessness and statelessness.
Both socialism and communism are based on the principle that the goods and services produced in an economy should be owned publicly, and controlled and planned by a centralized organization. Socialism says that the distribution should take place according to the amount of an individual's production efforts, whilst communism asserts that that goods and services should be distributed among the populace according to individuals' needs.
LiptonCambell: And with that in mind, would you think that things like "Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes." is the same as seeking " to manage both the economy and the society by ensuring that property is owned collectively, "?
And "control over the distribution of property is centralized in order to achieve both classlessness and statelessness" sounds awefully alot like what you already suggested; "Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly....Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State."
I just fail to see how what you posted is socialist. Its not. It is communist.
arijit_rupai: Colon I am not for dictatorship....My country is socialist and democratic(INDIA).....dictatorship is always bad in any form....I bl in Democracy,socialism,equal society and true secularism.
arijit_rupai: and capitalism is also failing.....difference of economic condition between poor and rich,the gathering of social power and property in few hands....increasing attack on basis of religion and race...compellled people to comeout to road....(we are 99%)....d recession,bankruptcy...whose "credit" is dis?
LiptonCambell: So I take it you agree with my belief that your above "Manifesto" is not socialism, but rather Communism? I mean, i google the first word in your post("Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes"- and EVERY link I receive is about communism- not socialism.
The differences between socialism and communism, while subtle, is clear- and what you are suggesting above is NOT socialism.
Comrade_: You must really really trust your Government..
Some of the things in your manifesto I disagree with.
Can you clearify what you mean by "Abolition of all right of inheritance."? When a man dies his property goes back to the state or something?
arijit_rupai: Yes Ethan.....you are right....its a self dependent society where you need to stand up on your own...if you are not really capable to do it...like if you are physically challenged
LiptonCambell: Still, I'll stop nit-picking the semantics of the issue, and address the actual "manifesto". You'll find I'm going to ask the same questions over and over again- and this is because you take these reasons to be self-evident, and didn't bother explaining the why or how when you posted these.
>>>Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
Why? What good would that do? How do you suppose that would that work? Who would benefit from such a society? Who would fail? What kind of systems in our current society would we lose if we were to accept Marx's Manifesto?
arijit_rupai: @Lipton if you see the main difference between socialism and communism is mainly dependent on socialism is mainly economic and communism is social,political and economic....I can not adopt it as we believe in humanity of Christ,Buddha,Gandhi or Hajarat or we can not adopt dictatorship in this modern democratic society.
LiptonCambell: I still fail to see how this is NOT communism. You clearly are attempting to change the world, not just economically, but socially and politically a well.
Comrade_: A man should be able to leave his property and his belongings to whom he chooses. You'd have no clear-cut situation, there will be those who are poor why should their family start from scratch against the person's wishes.
arijit_rupai: @Lipton its the original charter.....i put it here for debate,,,,,its gud dat u guys r coming out....i am not one who blvs its each comma fullstop....yes,,,,u r right....we shd hav a limited priate property rights
arijit_rupai: Lipton my main problem with communism is it changes the system without changing the society....of u deeply study the History of Russia.....u will find communists have failed to change the nation socially....they just compelled....which failed after a period.