Drug test + welfare = about darn time! (Page 5)
the real slim DEEPy: i believe that marijuana should be fully decriminalized, if not legalized; however, i still support drug AND alcohol tests for welfare recipients. if you have the money to get high every day then you have too much income to qualify for welfare. you are ONLY allowed about $500 in personal assets (cash, bank accounts, vechcle combined...) and no more then $300 monthly income to get on welfare here. a drug habit will cost you $300-$3000 monthly.
the real slim DEEPy: ok, remember what i said about $500 in assets, car included? ever been to a project? ive frequented about 5, and there is a car in front of EVERY door- about half of them are late model luxury brands, and not a single one worth less than $500. it is obvious that there is rampant abuse of the system, mostly due to live-in boyfriend drug dealers, who live there off-lease. im sorry, but if you have money for a $12,000 used lexus, you have enough money to move baby mama and the n*glets out of the hood and into the burbs.
if they would expose their children to white people, they might actually lose the ignorance and distrust of the majority culture that segregation perpetuates, and might choose to be the first member(s) of that family to make it thru college.
the real slim DEEPy: i do not agree that drug tests should be required for disability, unempolyment or retirement- for these are insurance programs that have been funded by the recipients themselves throught all their healthy, employed years. my beef is with the people who just say "i cant find a job" but have no medical excuse whatsoever. i mean, if they have no nedical excuse on record, dont we have the right to question WHY? shouldnt we be able to screen them for underlying conditions so that we can treat them, if needed- before we just start throwing money at them. if you have a drug problem, the more money you have, the heavier you use, and the more you deteriorate, both physically and mentally. do you think that giving addicts FREE MONEY is a good idea??? f^% no. giving a druggie money will only ENABLER the user. im sorry, but thats the mother f%&%y&z truth.
the real slim DEEPy: naw, theres an easier way to "dis-enable" a gultton- exempt unhealthy cuts of meat from food stamps, give them chicken, no beef or pork... no overly processed foods, etc... (this will also bring the world damn near FULL COMPLIANCE with the kyoto accord, as total anthroprogenic greenhouse emissions are split 50/50 between industrial and livestock industries.
side note- issue the stamps weekly, to end the binge/starve cycle of monthly distribution.
FogofWar: Outbackjack said:
"I dont have a perfect answer Malo."
"The U.K has in various forms since 1955.The question is is this a good idea.Its fair to say there would be less burglaries and crime to obtain drugs so the community as a whole would benefit."
And your statistics to verify this would benefit are???
Yes, clearly sending the message: "Don't use drugs! …but if you are gonna use drugs; we'll give you a safe and free supply of them…" is really for the benefit of society.
Forget sending a message to the rest of society huh? Let's put the wants and addictions of one individual before the rest of society. This is surely for the better of all society.
turbo206: This argument that every person on welfare is just seeking a hand out is getting really boring. Especially in our current economic times. You're sitting around judging others on the internet. I'd call that pretty fucking lazy.
Nicotina2: Addiction is a disease, it's about time we started treating it as one.
As far as I know, those who take part in the sytem in the UK are also minitored and councelled... the goal being to help the person get off drugs.
It's far better to make sure that the general public is safe by using meathods to decrease crime and violence. The UK has a higher sucess rate than the USA, and at a much lower cost.
To throw people in jail for having a joint is lunacy. Historically hemp was used for ropes and when the big oil companies came in with their nylon ropes the US gov't had to do something.
Hemp had to be villafied and along with it pot used as drugs.
Even more disturbing is the fact that the addict, once out of jail, stands a lower chance of being employed.
You can stand there and impose "morals" at the expense of others... or we can look for the most effective way of helping those with a disease.
I doubt that any one wakes up in the morning and thinks "Gee, I'd love to be on welfare instead of being able to live support myself and my family."
This is just another example of vilifying the poor.
turbo206: I'm assuming you are in the UK, Nicotina. Presently, in the US, its much more popular to take the moral high road and condemn anyone that needs help as being a loser that is leaching off the government and wasting tax payer money. Political parties run hate campaigns, and the general public, like the woman that started this post, like to think themselves high and mighty and above helping those less fortunate. There is a sickening double standard in this country. The hateful politicians do things to put more people out of work, and/or on welfare, and those that are lucky enough to avoid it play the hate game and call those that have become victims of the economy lazy people with no will to live by their own means. Immigrants and minorities are nothing but leeches stealing the tax payer's hard earned money, but they look the other way when millions are spent foolishly by the politicians they elected. Its a very sad state of affairs and makes me embarrassed to be an American.
Nicotina2: I was born and lived in the UK, I now live in Canada.
Many of us are only one job away from welfare. It's always easier to hate, those that hold power know that along with fear it is an effective tool to manipulate the general public.
the real slim DEEPy: im totally and permanently disabled, an i feel guilty for not contributing enough to society. i dont see how an ale bodied person cant at least work the 20 hours a week that i do. force them to do volunteer work to keep their resume current. and MOST ALL public housing residents do drugs or have live in boyfriends who do drugs, the number of lexuses and cadys in the projects is PROOF of widespread illegal income, caue you cant have more then 300 usd in personal asets (including car) to qualify to live in the projects.
the real slim DEEPy: by insisting that the poor need haod outs or they cannot survive violate the principle of equality, for ALL sans the disaled have the ability to succeed. either liberals assume tht whites are racist and wont give them jobs, or they assume that blacks have notthe ability to succeed thru self-determination. insistence on generous welfare feigns compassion, but its true motivation is to keep them "nig*ers" from stealing cars in the elite neighborhoods. if black are equal, they need not extravagnt welfare packages.
Nicotina2: You have revealed your true colours deep.
deep - "...but its true motivation is to keep them "nig*ers" from stealing cars in the elite neighborhoods."
You are also lacking in a full knowledge of dissability insurance. There are differing degrees of what a disabled person is permitted to do under certain private plans. Some plans will allow for the person to work part time and make up the difference to what was the members income, some only allow volunteering a certain amount of hours and other plans do not even allow any kind of volunteering.
Those who are addicted to drugs have a disease. Since treating the poor as criminals creates criminals it would follow that if more is expected by the general public, private and gov't agencies then there would be a change in behaviour.
Humans tend to rise to the level of what is expected of them. By showing respect and compassion while maintaining higher expectations it would seem that those who are abusing welfare would be ostrasized by those who truly are in need and are wanting to get out of the drug and violence ridden slums.
turbo206: So, from what I've read in these comments, only black people are on, and abusing, the welfare system. Wow, what an incredibly ignorant and racist thing to believe. When I was younger and figuring out my own way I lived near the projects and had friends who lived in the projects. I can tell you, from experience, that there are people of all colors, and ethnicities living in the projects. I can, also, tell you there are plenty of white people abusing the system. Did you know that its hip for young white 'hipsters' to go on welfare and get food stamps so they can buy their booze and drugs with money that's allotted for people that need it? What? White people? Never! Its very true. You can find articles about it all over the internet. These are young adults who grew up in the suburbs and now live in the city, in hip neighborhoods, drinking 40's out of paper bags because its a fad. There even smoking crack, now, because they are bored with all the other drugs young adults have been taking for years.
Dont give me this bullshit argument that if black people could be exposed to white people, that are better than them, then they might be motivated to live better lives.
Also, who's going to pay for these drug tests and the people needed to staff such procedures? Our Republican run Congress is doing everything in their power to take any benefits away from poor people. There is no way in hell they would approve money to implement a programs to drug test welfare recipients.
Keithc83: So you can be a drug addict if you work !!!!
Thats usual the way it happins so what do you do let them
Rob old women for pennies !!
Turbo said: So, from what I've read in these comments, only black people are on, and abusing, the welfare system. Wow, what an incredibly ignorant and racist thing to believe.
David responds: Turbo is so correct. Some facts….
Welfare is the name given to a set of interconnected programs aimed at low income families. Programs include job training and family planning. It also includes cash assistance.
In 1994, whites made up 38 percent of all welfare recipients, blacks 37 percent, and Hispanics 17 percent.
For the most part, welfare is a transient program. Recipients don't remain on the program forever. Fewer than 20 percent of all people on welfare remain on the program for more than seven months. Another 20 percent are on welfare for one to two years. Still, 27 percent remain on welfare for two to five years. Of all welfare recipients, 20 percent remain on welfare more than five years.
38% white / 37% black.
Blacks make up 12% of the U.S. population. While there are more whites on welfare than blacks, the percentage of the black population on welfare is greater than the percentage of the white population on welfare.
One in three food stamp households is headed by an African American. More than a third of food stamp benefits — over $10 billion per year — are issued to African-Americans. (According to Census data, African Americans make up about 12 percent of the U.S. population.)
Nearly 9 million African Americans receive food stamps each month. This represents a quarter of the African American population.
Center on Budget and Policy Research
Public Policy Research
Nicotina2: Thank you David for posting facts.
It is a disgrace that the poor are villified and treated with disdaine.
Nico said: It is a disgrace that the poor are vilified and treated with disdain.
David responds: I agree. As with anything else, whether it be business, government or social services, there are those that take advantage of the system and they imply that the vast majority of honest citizens behave like crooks.
MultifariousEntity: The use of most drugs should be legalized and heavily regulated IMO. Just have the government as the only legal vendor, easy way for the US to pay off some of it's major debts. Implement laws with HEAVY fines prohibiting the use of motor vehicles and heavy machinery while under the influence, have an age restriction, perhaps make it so you can only ingest the drugs on private properties and limit the amount that can be sold to any one person in a set amount of time.
Boom. Drug sales generating funds, as well as the fines from people that seriously abuse them or use them in an otherwise unsafe manner. This welfare drug test idea could tie into that. Not all drug users are abusers.
the real slim DEEPy: if hey drug test positive, SOME AUSSIE SAYS " I assume that they will cut off their benefits.
I suppose most of you think this is a good idea until they start breaking into your house to feed their habit"
to whichmy reductio ad obsurdio challenge ws ".. or they (american liberals) assume that blacks have not he ability to succeed thru self-determination. insistence on generous welfare FEIGNS COMPASSION, but its true motivation is to keep them "nig*ers" from stealing cars in the elite neighborhoods." its ad obsurdio, the same logc can be applied to white trash car thieves and hispanic chop shops. point i 2 fold, there are mny FUNCTIONAL drunks and addict who do work and do NOT STEAL. a drug habit does not take away your ability to supporyt yourself unless you USE the drug, and i would guarantee that many DANGEROUSLY HEAVY using addicts could recieve a chace for rehab before denial of benefits, and a community service requirement to force them to become contributing members of society it is for their good, not for fear of your bmw getting stripped to the frame.
look at at the rhetoric, so much as the true motivations. and honestly, i think it is a natural law that to eat you must work., just a to not murder is a natual law.
the real slim DEEPy: and if welfare is shared by all races equally, why do liberals play the race card wen republicans consider it imprudent to take out loans for lavish charity. how can one be expected to give MORE than they HAVE. it is common sense that one with negative income is not to borrow money to give to beggars, or beggarswould be endebted to banks for giving to each other., and would altogether be poorer.
Space Lord 2012: Children will suffer because their mom's smoked a joint on Saturday night..it's wrong.
It's wrong that a mother on welfare with children smoked a joint on Saturday night. She should have used the money on food, clothing, housing and education.
Space Lord 2012: I didn't say that she BOUGHT a joint,I said that she SMOKED a joint..However,the outcome will be the same..she will have a positive urinalysis test and be banned from the public welfare system.Because of the small vice that she may have to relieve the tension of day to day living,her family will be destroyed and her child, or children,will ultimately have to pay the price..and this is wrong in every way.As far as using the money for food,clothing,housing and education are concerned.These ppl barely receive enough money to exist on, and the money that she should have kept that you so loosely refer too, doesn't exist either..
davidk14..(and many others)..you are out of touch with your community and the ppl that live there.I suggest that you leave your upper class neighborhood at some point and venture into the housing projects that are all around you..(me too)..and meet the ppl that live there and find out about their standard of living..and if you have any compassion at all,I'm sure that you will come away with a different point of view.