Iranian girl attacked in UK over hijab (Page 2)
Np19: and i love how people on here think they know what islam says on the subject but are totally wrong. you guys should stop watching the news and go out and ask someone who wears it or a muslim about the ruling.
cuarl: Most Christians dont follow the bible word for word just for that reason. There is alot of shit that is just not appropriate in a modern society.
But Im curious. You said the quaran does not tell women that they must cover their head. So why do they do it if not for their god?
Ofcourse its wrong to attack someone but its always the motive that is discussed to prevent it from happening again.
Sarcastic Dots: " Most Christians dont follow the bible word for word just for that reason."
Well sure, but not all Muslims are part of a hive mind. Unlike Catholicism for example, which has an infallible leader that defines what part of the bible should be interpreted, the Muslim religion is free to deviate from the core teachings. The differences between Islam and a protestant religion are minimal in its approach to religious teachings. I have no idea why people think Islam's main problem is the lack of free though, or an inability to break free from religion itself, when it is barely distinguishable from several mainstream religions.
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Np19: with us muslims we believe that the quran is the word of god, and we believe that the laws set by god are perfect and that the law of god is never to be disregarded no matter what the circumstances. the quran does mention that women should cover their bodies and be modest and men also for that matter.
but it does not at any point mention that you should force the women folk to cover their hair or shave it off.
in regards to the comment Ofcourse its wrong to attack someone but its always the motive that is discussed to prevent it from happening again:
if the motive was simply because the woman was wearing a headscarf as she feels its her religious duty to do so then preventing this from happening again isnt going to be easy as generally what u find is muslims will not abandon their religious duties for the sake of pleasing others.
braveheart32: The media is not repsonsible for islamophobia, muslims are! It is not the media thats responsible for the 911 attack, it is muslim fundamentalist.Assin Khan, you say you are angry about all these but a colleague of mine who was in suddan testified that when the 911 attack took place , muslims in sudden ran into the street in Jubilation.Lots of muslims applaud when these jihadist carried out their evil acts
In Nigeria, Muslims fundamentalist burnt chruhes with worshipers in them on xmas eve in 2010, they constantly attack non muslims unprovoked.Nigeria with a population of 180 million has 60 % of the population christian yet the muslims want the whole country to be run by sharia laws.
islamic fundamentalist in Pakistan kidnapp kids and try to use them for suicide Bombers.How many time have muslims in arab world come out enmasss in the street to condemn the suicide bombing and terrorist attack carried by people in the name of islam.
So it is not the media that is responsible for islamaphobia, it is muslims themselves.they make the islamic religion unattractive by either been perpettrators or cheerleaders of all these terrorist attack.When a set is known fro certain behaviours, it would lead to fear and mistrust,so muslims blame yourself not the media
Np19: well the 911 issue is debateable and there are many who are convinced like myself that it was an insiade job,
secondly when 911 happened if people in sudan celebrated, then there was many countries where the muslims condemed it!
in nigeria muslim burnt churches, but then again chritians burned mosques and qurans. and dont give me that rubbish that it was unprovoked. show me the statistcs that the 40% of the muslims have called for sharia'a and ill show you statistics that prove its only a minority.
islamic fundemantals in pakistan who work closley with the c.i.a and mossad do commit atrocities and the majority of muslims condenm their actions. in reagards to suicide bombings against western troops in afghanistan and iraq is absoloutley fine as they shouldnt be there and its anyones right to fight until the people invading your country leave.
it is the media that hypes up the situation. you seem to be a sort of who actaully hasnt got the mental capacity to think for yourself so you let the media speak for you as is evident from your comments above.
like napolean said anyone who believes everything they read and see is a fool. The media has been and always will be a tool used for mass deception. You see the way hitler used the media to spread propoganda against the jews is the same way the modern media is used to attack the muslims.
you can continue to be a slave to the media or you can be a very rare human and use your brain. i feel ashamed that i took the time to even respond to your comment which is obviously influenced by watching too much t.v and not using common sense.
learn your history
Np19: Shaykh Muhammed Sayyid al-Tantawi, imam of al-Azhar mosque in Cairo, Egypt:
“Attacking innocent people is not courageous, it is stupid and will be punished on the day of judgement. … It’s not courageous to attack innocent children, women and civilians. It is courageous to protect freedom, it is courageous to defend oneself and not to attack.”
Agence France Presse, September 14, 2001
Abdel-Mo’tei Bayyoumi, al-Azhar Islamic Research Academy, Cairo, Egypt:
“There is no terrorism or a threat to civilians in jihad [religious struggle].”
Al-Ahram Weekly Online, 20 – 26 September 2001,
Muslim Brotherhood, an opposition Islamist group in Egypt, said it was “horrified” by the attack and expressed “condolences and sadness”:
“[We] strongly condemn such activities that are against all humanist and Islamic morals. … [We] condemn and oppose all aggression on human life, freedom and dignity anywhere in the world.”
Al-Ahram Weekly Online, 13 – 19 September 2001,
Shaykh Muhammad Hussein Fadlallah, spiritual guide of the Hizbullah movement in Lebanon, said he was “horrified” by these “barbaric … crimes”:
“Beside the fact that they are forbidden by Islam, these acts do not serve those who carried them out but their victims, who will reap the sympathy of the whole world. … Islamists who live according to the human values of Islam could not commit such crimes.”
Agence France Presse, September 14, 2001
Abdulaziz bin ‘Abdallah Al-Ashaykh, chief mufti of Saudi Arabia:
“Firstly: the recent developments in the United States including hijacking planes, terrorizing innocent people and shedding blood, constitute a form of injustice that cannot be tolerated by Islam, which views them as gross crimes and sinful acts. Secondly: any Muslim who is aware of the teachings of his religion and who adheres to the directives of the Holy Qur’an and the sunnah (the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad) will never involve himself in such acts, because they will invoke the anger of God Almighty and lead to harm and corruption on earth.”
Statement of September 15, 2001,
Abdulaziz bin ‘Abdallah Al-Ashaykh, chief mufti of Saudi Arabia:
“You must know Islam’s firm position against all these terrible crimes. The world must know that Islam is a religion of peace and mercy and goodness; it is a religion of justice and guidance…Islam has forbidden violence in all its forms. It forbids the hijacking airplanes, ships and other means of transport, and it forbids all acts that undermine the security of the innocent.”
Hajj sermon of February 2, 2004, in “Public Statements by Senior Saudi Officials Condemning Extremism and Promoting Moderation,” May 2004,
Shaykh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, chairman of the Sunna and Sira Council, Qatar:
“Our hearts bleed for the attacks that has targeted the World Trade Center [WTC], as well as other institutions in the United States despite our strong oppositions to the American biased policy towards Israel on the military, political and economic fronts. Islam, the religion of tolerance, holds the human soul in high esteem, and considers the attack against innocent human beings a grave sin, this is backed by the Qur’anic verse which reads: ‘Who so ever kills a human being [as punishment] for [crimes] other than manslaughter or [sowing] corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he has killed all mankind, and who so ever saves the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind’ (Al-Ma’idah:32).”
Statement of September 13, 2001. English source:
Ayatollah Ali Khamene’i, supreme jurist-ruler of Iran:
“Killing of people, in any place and with any kind of weapons, including atomic bombs, long-range missiles, biological or chemical weopons, passenger or war planes, carried out by any organization, country or individuals is condemned. … It makes no difference whether such massacres happen in Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Qana, Sabra, Shatila, Deir Yassin, Bosnia, Kosovo, Iraq or in New York and Washington.”
Islamic Republic News Agency, September 16, 2001,
ABOVE ARE JUST A FEW STAMENRTS CONDEMING THE ATTACKS, INCLUDING SOME STATMENTS FROM THE SO CALLED TEROORIST INDIVIDUALS THAT U TALK ABOUT. KNOWLEDGE IS POWER
braveheart32: @assin Khan, I understand that you are bitter thats why you are bringing in racisms by referng to slavery because of the color of my skin.It is further prove that Islam and all those that practice it are
are stuck in the past.In Nature anything that refuses to move would sffer from atrophy.Its just a matter oif time, islam would meet such a fate
Np19: oh you really think? and by the way i didnt say anything racist i was just saying know ur history. im gonna actually appologise and say my comment was not really nice and i really do applogise.infact ill remove that comment. im sorry.
braveheart32: @ ASSASIN_KHAN,MY ANCESSTORS MAY HAVE BEEN MUSLIMS BUT I DONT CARE.IF THEY WERE BLINDED ENOUGH TO HAVE ACCPETED SUCH A FAITH THEN IT IS THEIR BUSINESS.I AM GLAD THAT I DONT SUBSCRIBE TO A RELIGION THAT ADVOCATES THE CUTTING OF LIMBS AND RELEGATION OF WOMEN OR THE KILLING OF ANY ONE THAT DOESNT ACCEPT IT.I HAVE NO DOUBT IN MIND THAT SUCH A RELIGION CAN NOT COME FROM THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE.WALK WITH YOUR LIMS AND NOT WITH CRUCHES LEST YOU LOSE THE USE OF THEM
Np19: mate read ur bible.. the truth is u christians dont follow your bible you change the rules where and when u wish. read your bible infact let me show you what the bible has to say. i did apologise but fuck that now im gonna blaze ya....
If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head.( if you followed your bible then most christian women of today would be bold) Corinthians 11:6
But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me. luke 19:27 ( basically jesus is saying those who dont believe in me bring em here and kill em, sounds like jesus loved jihad to me)
genesis 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man ( your being asked to execute someone who kills here) oh my god its getting more and more violent. but u dont follow the bible.. what sort of christians are you???
exodus 21:12 Anyone who strikes a man and kills him shall surely be put to death.
exodus 21:15 15And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.( dont talk back to ur parents cuz in the bible thats punishable by death too)
exodus 21:16 “Anyone who kidnaps someone is to be put to death, whether the victim has been sold or is still in the kidnapper’s possession (oh shit jackers get put to death too in islam they get their hands chopped but if you christians followed your bible kidnappers get DEATH)
exodus 21:17 Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death ( dont talk back to momma or jesus says you gotta die fool) hahaha oh my god these christians are so dumb read your bible before you come to me with that shit bruh...
leviticus 20:10 'If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death ( oh shit son this aint no different to what the quran says)
leviticus 20:11 If there is a man who lies with his father's wife, he has uncovered his father's nakedness; both of them shall surely be put to death, their bloodguiltiness is upon them ( oooooh shiiiit)
leviticus 20:12 And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall surely be put to death: they have wrought confusion; their blood shall be upon them
leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
leviticus 20:14 And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you (oooh dude burning with fire is harsh muslims dont do dat shit)
THATS JUST A FEW VERSES.... READ MATE... THE TRUTH IS THAT THE LAWS OF THE BIBLE HAVE BEEN IGNORED AND CHANGED BY THE CHURCH. THE CHRISTIANS DO NOT EVEN FOLLOW THE RELIGION OR ITS LAWS PROPERLY, YOU MADE UR PRIESTS AS UR LORDS.. INFACT IF CHRISTANITY WAS BEING FOLLOWED THE WAY IT SHOULD THEN PEOPLE WOULD BE GETTING BRUNT AND ALL SORTS.
braveheart32: @ asassin_khan: .More and more you only prove you you are no different from your bitter islamic cohorts.I dont g=care whateve any book says if it advocates inhuman treatment.be it the bible, the Koran or any of the so called holy books.I dont need these books to prove to me that God exist or that certain acts are repulsive.The fact that such things are in any book questions weather they really come from God.You quote leviticus and some other parst of the bible in a bid to support islamic sharia.What does that prove, it only proves that your ideals are no different from he backward AlQeada, Hagqqanni Network in Pakistan, Boko Haram in Nigeira, Taliban in Afganistan and Pakistan.You come here and post like you have an open mind but all your are doing is defending the works of all these terrorist group whose basic ideas are drawn from a religion that has no humanity in it.
You know it and i know it and every one knows it.Islam is STUCK in the past.You try to draw comparison from the bible but the difference is thaŧ christains have realisedd that those laws given by moses couldnt have come from the creator of the Universe so they have adapted to reality and comon sense.However, Muslims have refused to accept that shria couldnt have come from God but ffrom thre desire of founding Islamic fathers to control and rein people into their influence.I
asassin...you watch the video...the entire video? Any comments of the entire video? Anything not true that was stated on the video?
Malobear: It also says in John asassin
8:1 ¶ Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.
8:2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.
8:3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
8:4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
8:5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
8:6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8:8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
8:9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
8:10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
This passage seems to refer to how man should not judge over another,act as the hand of God.As noone lives on this earth without sin. It has more to do with forgiveness.
(Edited by Malobear)
braveheart32: @assassin_khan:It is your thinking and refusal to be opened minded that is lame.STOP WALKING WITH CRUTCHES, USE YOUR LIMBS !!
RahGuzaR: I wonder why the western people don't mind a woman walking on the their street almost naked but if any muslim woman wana cover her body with an abaya, its against the law.
braveheart how would you define open minded and what has it got to do with those woman who choosed to cover their body ?
Malobear: RahGuz asks:: I wonder why the western people don't mind a woman walking on the their street almost naked but if any muslim woman wana cover her body with an abaya, its against the law?
Malo says: Western people say its a womans right to wear what she pleases. Of coarse what you consider naked is not desribed in your statement,so maybe you can clarify that. As far is women wearing Middleeast attire in the USA,there is no law stating that women cannot.So you must be mistaken..
Np19: braveheart32 islam isnt stuck in the past at all and you obviously havent got anything productive to say! infact before you rant on about me and crutches, learn yo history and read the bible.
Np19: yes in regards to the video it is every muslims duty to strive until gods law (the sharia) is implemented as we believe god's law is perfect, in regards to muslim leaders, we do not stand by them as they are ruling by law which is not the sharia and this makes them enemies of god, even saudi arabia isnt following the sacred laws. so yes alot of what the video says is true and yes i agree that the sharia should be implemented.
Np19: you know whats really sad is that this topic was about someone who was attacked for wearing a headscarf, the post has now been infiltrated by specific islamaphobic individuals whom have nothing better to do but to attack anything they cannot understand.
lets get back to the topic!! if you guys wish to debate about religious issues open a new topic and do it there.
THE LAST THING IM GONNA SAY IS THAT YES IT WAS WRONG FOR HER TO BE ATTACKED BECAUSE SHE CHOSE TO WEAR A HEADSCARF AS HER IDENTITY AS A MUSLIM.
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