How legal is it? Israel Killing a nations leader (Page 41)

davidk14
davidk14: .

Have you ever read the Hamas Charter word for word? They say educated men wrote that.

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lburton141lb
lburton141lb: look I am new here ,but if for one minute you feel sorry for hammas then you really need to go and live there because you are a terrorist just like them.when you teach your children to kill from the time they are very small.god dam people wake up ,they are nothing like us where we teach love and peace.not only will they kill jews they will kill anyone who is not on their band wagon.i'm nobody but I dam sure watch whats going on in the world and wake up before its too late.good job david with your posts and knowledge...
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Outbackjack
Outbackjack: Baaaaaaaa
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davidk14
davidk14: Thank you 141.
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R E B E C C A
R E B E C C A: You know what David I have been forced to change my mind on this
N its not an easy thing to do when u see dead bodies of children on tv its not something the western civilization is used to seeing. Or something we want to accept.
But I cannot deny that these people are proving impossible to live with n im talking from my own personal experience. Not just that if you look to the countries that that have bent over backwards trying to make welcome n you see the same thing over and over again. Violence and total disregard for our way of life..... N America and Australia need to look at what's happening here n take it as a warning.
Whilst they are a minority they are lovely people, but keep them at a minority, once they get passed the 1% they push their own agenda. They have no interest of integrating and getting along with everyone. Look at Europe...look at how they live in any country which is under Islamic rule....because that it what they are trying to impose.....And when they commit acts of violence here they deny its anything to do with being Islamic. How do u move forward when they wont admit there's a problem?
They are constantly protesting, they have introduced their own courts here thanks to the labour government being too accommodating, that has lead to British people being forced out of their homes. In western civilization we bring our children up to believe in tolerance and that all people deserve respect n its extremely frustrating but in order to protect that way of life you cannot tolerate this religion, people yes, but not a religion. For one thing Islam isn't just a religion its a complete system, social, political, and religious.
N if I think its bad here then I have to consider how it would be to live in israel where they are surrounded by nations of people who are committed to wiping them out. N then also consider that these are not the people who make trouble where ever they go then not only do the attacks make sense but so does the idea of Zion....it makes common sense!
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R E B E C C A
R E B E C C A: Infact you could argue that Israel is respecting their way of life bizarre as that may sound....When all said n done Israel is providing them with the living arrangements they so desperately seek to create all over the world......Maybe its time we stopped assuming that they want to be treated fairly, and rather than them having to protest about wearing burquas we should order them to cover up n stay indoors n punish those who dont....N should they really need to fight for segregated schools we should respect their way of life n make it illegal for them to attend ours. Remove their rights, and their freedom of speech and start ordering them about, take away their right to vote and keep them oppressed.....it would be like an "opt-in" prison camp so that they dont need to go against their religion n commit a crime. Of course, this kind of living isnt for all muslims but it should be available for those who want it......This would ensure a much happier society all round, we just need to be more broad-minded. Yes it sounds crazy but so does being offended by a cartoon.
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orangemoon8
orangemoon8: Nice post Rebecca, maybe you'll wake some of these ppl up. When Muslims get easily offended by a cartoon, and actually kill people who have a right to free speech in France, it shows you how "intolerant" they really are. Is this a way to intergrate into the communities of these countries muslims choose to live in? Do they really want to be a part of their communities? Do I need to keep reminding everyone that Islam, was born out of violence. Long story short, Mohammed went to Medina, raised an army, came back to Mecca and pretty much wiped out the Pagans who worshipped a meteorite, which is now the Devil under Islamic teachings, called the Kaaba stone. Submit to Islam or die,.... most of them were killed...... Does this sound like a peaceful religion to anyone? Most of western Europe is under siege at this time, by muslims who maybe are trying to establish a caliphate in western Europe.........the only way to do this, is to do it from within the countries they happen to live in.........Is this their agenda?, we will soon find out......"Fight the enemy in their own backyard, drive him crazy"........Are they using our own laws against us? in the countries they settle into........ It's just a big time bomb waiting to go off...........Here in the US in Minneapolis, Somalian cab drivers are putting out passengers who bring alcohol into their taxis, what the hell kind of nonsense is this?..........They are even trying to establish their own Islamic court system in their communities in the US. We bend over backwards to appease muslims whose religion teachings are different from ours....As Rebecca pointed out, Islam is a system of social, political, judicial, and religious laws, and a way of life for some. That might work for you in your part of the world, but not here, it's not our way of life............ This doesn't sound like "integration into our society" to me. If muslims don't integrate themselves in these communities, they will be alienated by people they live along side of, this is wrong......but it happens.......They then blame us when things don't go their way, economic hardships, no jobs etc, how is this happening to you..."our fault"? Muslims come to these countries for a better life, when it doesn't happen right away you feel resented. If you don't want to respect our laws, our religion, our way of life, or you don't like how "we" live......Go home, don't start problems, don't cause chaos.....just go home.
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davidk14
davidk14:
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Very good posts Rebecca and orange. I read every word.

One of the founding principles the founders of the US Constitution, it is based on separation of church and state. No grey area.


"The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.

It was adopted on December 15, 1791, as one of the ten amendments that constitute the Bill of Rights.

If a "religion" does not want to live by the laws of the United States, there should be consequences.

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slasian
slasian: The truth, in my opinion, is that the foundations of Islam smells fishy! If there wasn't an inherent flaw in the doctrine...

Yet, this has got nothing to do with the injustice of Israeli in Palestine! Don't doge the topic! The Jews occupied a land that had never been theirs!

Don't play the silly game here, Islam can go to hell (discuss it in another thread) the truth here is the government of Israeli had never been right in the case of Palestine. Slaughtering thousands, demolishing hundred thousand houses, garbing lands, assassinating leaders. If you agree that Islam is a problematic religion (to that I do agree too) then the government of Israeli is worse!
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The Russian Hitman
The Russian Hitman: Palestine isn't a member of UN or the ICC. Israel have broken several human right and war violations. For that reason they are preventing Palestine by joining either group. If Palestine did join, Israel could have severe sanctions against them.

A blockade is the biggest example. Disallowing Palestinians to move freely out or in to their country. Limiting what they receive. You can say that Palestine is one big prison As a result of this blockade...
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The Russian Hitman
The Russian Hitman: http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/If-Palestine-joins-the-ICC-then-what-388913

Israel know what can happen to them if Palestine join the ICC. That's why they've been persuading the west to nit allow this. However few countries have voted yes fir Palestine, including Sweden Russia Iran China.
If Israel was "right" in what it did so, why would they be worrying about Palestine becoming an ICC member.
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R E B E C C A
R E B E C C A: Wherever they go n settle in large numbers they are nothing but trouble....n people just wish they would F off.I never wanted to feel so hateful of one group of people n they have forced this nasty feeling on me......n im not gonna feel guilty about that....i feel angry at them for forcing this on me....i Would I trust their word....NO.
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Outbackjack
Outbackjack: Yes wherever THEY go THEY takeover and impose THEIR way of life on the peoples whose lands they move to. Setting up their own courts and congregating in THEIR own communities (Joondalup springs to mind) .

I am of course talking about the British.A people who have invaded half the planet at one time or other and colonised a lot of that.
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R E B E C C A
R E B E C C A:
Fair comment and as woman Im very glad they did thank you very much! Not saying its perfect but in Britain today we have crimes that didn't exist here before....like female genital mutilation, forced marriage, honor killings.....oh yeah Muslims are now allowed to have multiple wives here....this was introduced due to the number of women that were being set fire to...by their husbands...so they can move on to the next wife....which could be a child because you know what.....they dont consider it wrong. I dont want to live in a society that turns a blind eye to that in fear of "offending" a minority, who according to the moderates arent even Muslim? no thank you very much.
I really dont get what your point is with that Jack. Unless of course its that old chestnut that as an English person and because of things that happened many years ago I really ought to surrender my human rights n be constantly feel sorry to everyone forever. Forget the fact that emily pankhurst, was born in my home town n fought so bravely for womens rights....we should not respect or protect what she fought for...but instead feel endlessly ashamed for things i had no say in? So that future generations can look back n wonder why we did nothing to preserve it?
Well if you want to do that go ahead I dont want to because i have children to consider....
N Im betting you arent living with islam or if you are its a small minority.....In fact id go as far as to say i know you arent because clearly you have no insight into what it means .......n whats more my family originated from ireland....But If you want to talk about victims of the British establishment then the first victims have been and still are the British people....so FU with that argument. Look it up on line what is going on here and all across Europe because of the sorry attitude and feeling the need for constant political correctness....we have lost common sense. British people have been evicted from London...not just their homes but away from from their friends and family so they cant kick up a fuss together n stand united to make way for ....THE BIGGEST MOSQUE IN EUROPE....paid for by the Saudi King (backhanders to the politicians of course).....Because hes improving relations with us? Hes so kind hes provided the most violent translation of the Quran to our muslim prisoners....how nice.




take note of the front row and how fed up the natives of sweeden look
we wouldnt accept that kind of babyish tantrum from our children yet we are told to respect it??? TOLD TO RESPECT IT.....or in other words it doesnt matter what you think so accept it...they dont care if we really respect it do they?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2817653/Army-cadet-15-burned-aerosol-lighter-sold-Remembrance-Day-poppies-Manchester-city-centre.html
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wayne elliott
wayne elliott: Have to agree with orangemoon8 and R E B E C C A and the vomiting emoticon. I too am fed up with the violent antics of muslims who kill others over cartoons, free speech etc. While some claim these jihadists do not represent the Islamic religion, the deafening silence from other muslims when these atrocities are committed condemns them all. As for assimilation into the Western idea, no they won't. Their religion allows them to practice any deceit in the face of non-believers because we are lower than dogs and deserve no respect. Sharia law should never be allowed in a democratic society.
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The Russian Hitman
The Russian Hitman: I'm Not A Muslim. But where's the freedom of speech for the Palestinians...

Just wondering? ........
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Outbackjack
Outbackjack: First of all Polygamy is illegal under British law. Westminister simply does not recognise them.

Secondly migrants boost the economy creating jobs.It comes down to the simple economics of consumption whether these people are Muslim,Christian, Hindu or worshipers of a flying spaghetti monster. People still need to eat and have similar aspirations to drag themselves out of poverty and better their lot. The second and third generations of migrants will generally embrace the consumerist culture if given plenty of opportunity and become indistinguishable from the native people accept in skin colour.

Now if a Capitalist consumer culture is what we are defending then there is no real hope for us. This is what our society values have become. Any notion of culture has long been eroded away by Thatcher/Reaganite values of unfettered free market Capitalism.

You see Rebecca I lived for 5 and a half years in your country and living in South Yorkshire I experienced first hand what it was like to be on the receiving end of Thatcherism. Once the unions had been almost destroyed it was quite easy for the rich and powerful through their lackeys the government to flood the United Kingdom with cheap imported labour. With no checks on wages it was a race to the bottom that drove a large wedge into the working class. Now jobs are scarce but i am told the rich can hire maids for wages which are well into the single figures per hour.It is this lack of opportunity all across Europe which is the problem.I am sure it is harder for a Muslim to get a job than say a Hindu or Sikh.This in itself makes for angry migrant communities

I don't know you that well Rebecca but I get the feeling you are not an outright racist.Your anger centres probably at Muslims.This is a carefully orchestrated campaign where the Capitalists,Media and Government basically scapegoat migrants and specifically Muslims for all your countries ills.When they are the ones backing invasion of Muslim countries to steal oil.

They are the ones benefiting from this divide when they are the cause.

Finally I live in an area where there are Muslim people.In fact I have two of my school age children working for a Lebanese family.They are fair,pay my kids well and are really nice people.

Australia is not perfect but it has been said that it is the most successful multicultural country in the world.We are better for migration.Indeed some of the first muslim migrants were Afghan Camel riders who helped pave the way across our hostile deserts in the 1800s.

The difference is that Australia doesn't have a distinct class system (if you are of Irish descent then you know where I am coming from) and there are more opportunities for everyone including migrants.We are Capitalist,consumerist with haves and have nots just like you but there are more jobs and opportunity.

Britain is a sick decaying imitation of its former self.It's industrial working class is almost gone and a rampant culture of greed has taken hold.

Now I know you probably (maybe) know a lot of this.Just don't play into the Murdoch medias scapegoating whilst London bankers get billions in bailouts and none of them go to jail.

They are the real enemy.



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R E B E C C A
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R E B E C C A
R E B E C C A: N polligmy isn't illegal under their law they have their own courts now that's to our last labour government
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The Russian Hitman
The Russian Hitman: This thread has become sooooo off topic
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orangemoon8
orangemoon8: Actually David there is no seperation of church and state here. Ya swear on a Bible in court, In God We Trust is on our money and license plates, it's something the progressives, are pushing, we have Christmas Trees decorated in court houses and out on Municipal bldgs, progressives are trying to call it a "Holiday Tree" I don't go around saying Merry Holiday to people. What's next?
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davidk14
davidk14: .

Orange, the law is not based on religion.

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orangemoon8
orangemoon8: Our constitution and founding were based on religious principals, and the Progressives want to take all that which they don't like..........away. Not if i can do something about it, I almost got someone fired from a radio station, cause they said "holiday tree"
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davidk14
davidk14: .

I agree to a point. God is not a religion.

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R E B E C C A
R E B E C C A: What about Palestinians free speech.?...Hmmm
You could sign the petition for a global ban of Sharia Law .?..
http://www.onelawforall.org/

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